Subtitle we are legion

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Subtitles by Mammad
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It was 6 in the morning.
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I got a knock on my door,
a really loud knock
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and I thought it was my dad,
who had locked himself out or something,
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so I opened it and it's the LED
flashlights and the really obnoxious,
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bulletproof vests
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and they're dragging
me out into the cold,
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when I'm in my pyjamas.
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That was not fun..
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They seemed pretty shocked by the
sarcastic, belligerent, angry teenager,
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that they dragged
out of bed that day.
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I don't know if it's just that
I was 19 or that I was a girl but,
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they didn't expect, this.
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10.000 angry kids,
whoever they are,
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they scared the shit out
of some people those days.
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They scared the shit,
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out of the powers that be
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and that's why this
is being investigated.
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That's why I'm under indictment.
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That's it.
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Because,
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between the days of
December 6 and December 10,
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10.000 angry people
proved to the government,
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that their regulations,
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their ideas,
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their view of PayPal,
their view of WikiLeaks,
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their view of the Afghan war,

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and Egypt and Tunisia and Libya,
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it didn't fucking matter.
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Their opinion no longer mattered,
because someone was out on the internet,
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kicking ass.
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The computer hacker group Anonymous,
is claiming tonight, that it took down
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the website of the federal appeals
court in San Francisco this afternoon.
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They took down senate.gov servers,
they've taken down HBGary,
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SONY is claiming they did
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150 million dollars worth of damage.
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So many confidential files,
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that tonight, because of these hackers,
can be in the hands of anyone.
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Visa, Mastercard, the PayPal situation.
-The criminals who hacked into Sarah Palin's private e-mail.
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The church of scientology says,
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Anonymous is a cyber-terrorist
group of religious bigots.
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Anonymous and this other group called LulzSec,
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they seem to be wanting to prove a point.
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Anonymous was like the big, strong,
buff kid who had low self esteem
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and all of a sudden,
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punched somebody in the face and
was like, Holy shit I'm really strong!
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And Anonymous calls itself
the final boss of the internet
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and sometimes it proves
to be really fucking true.
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If you were going to violate
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the freedoms of the internet,
you certainly better watch the fuck out.
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They are, kind of, the
rude boys of activism.
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There's a real rough edge to that,
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which I think also,
is one reason why they
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garner so much love
and hate from people too.
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They represent a certain
sort of chaotic freedom.
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Individual, young,
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nameless, faceless folks are having
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geo-political impact
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and it's both exhilarating to realize
that and terrifying to realize that.
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It kind of depends on
how that power is wielded.
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We are legion.
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We do not forget.
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Expect us.
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We stand for freedom,
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we stand for freedom of speech,
the power of the people,
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the ability for them to protest
against their government, to right wrongs.
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No sensorship, epecially online,

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but also in real life.
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We have members throughout society
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in all stratums of it worldwide,
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yet we have no leadership.
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It's one voice, it's not individual voices, that's why
we don't show our faces, that's why we don't give our names.
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We're speaking as one and it's a collective.
Good timing..
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I would love to live in a country
where the government fears its citizens
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and not the other way around.
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Right now, plenty of Anonymous actors
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are in hiding because of fear of reprisals by the government.
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I've been called many things,
there's unpatriotic..
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..that we're just a bunch of children
sitting in our parents' basement.
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I get called a terrorist sympathizer.
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We've been called kids, we've been called
cyber-bullies, we've been called hooligans and..
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You know, sometimes these
words aren't entirely unfair but,
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this is a serious political movement.
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No one in the general public
really seems to get it.
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What they don't seem to get, is that the ability for
Anonymous to be everything and anything, is its power.
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Anonymous is a series of relationships.
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Hundreds and hundreds of people,
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who are very active in it and who have varying skill
sets and who have varying issues they want to advance
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and who are collaborating
in different ways each day.
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They're a little bit like
a prism or a calaidoscope.
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They've got many different
facets in many different sides.
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Of course when you spend
enough time with them,
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you start to get a sort of feel or texture,
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that's not just random,
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right? Yet it's very multifaceted,
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very rich, which does span from the quite
lighthearted to the very very serious.
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Bob Dylan had lined a song to say,
"to live outside the law,
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you must be honest".
(Absolutely Sweet Marie)
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They might do something which isn't
technically correct, maybe it's not
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legally correct, but they're doing it for purposes,
that in their minds at least are ethical.
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People who know what they're doing,
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who share an ethos,
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who have a commitment to
exposing and humiliating "the man",
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who have a very low tolerance of some
eyes and what they perceive as evil
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and the part of over-winning power structures.
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They share information,
they share tools and techniques
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and they are currently
having a very good time.
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The hacker culture,
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as we know it,
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really sprang from one place. There was MIT
(Massachusetts Institute of Technology)
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and there was specifically people in the model
railroad club, the tech model railroad club.
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Hacking originated as humorous pranks.
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When the guys in MIT put a VolksWagen
up on top of the dome of the building,
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people woke up and saw a
car up there in the morning,
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or they measured a bridge by the body-lengths
of somebody, let's say his name was Brian
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and they discovered the bridge
over the Charles river was,
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you know, 822 Brians.
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These are funny things.
That's where hacking originated
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and then migrated in
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engineering and computer communities.
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It's, really, it's pranks.
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Basically Microsoft
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and Apple, both,
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got their entire start of computer crime.
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Bill Gates stole
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pretty much all of the MS-DOS.
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Steve Jobs,
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he was creating boxes to
defraud the phone company.
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I always saw hacking,
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as implicitly political.
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Hackers, whether they're
conscious about it or not,
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whether explicit about it or not,
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make a statement,
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about how we should treat information.

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And some years after my book came out,
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one of the people I wrote about,
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Richard Stallman,
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got very publically
and explicitly political
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about open software, about..
And he believed that software should be free.
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Free as in freedom, not free
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as in beer, as he put it there.
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Behind it, whether misguided or
not, there is a political impulse.
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Hactivism was a term coined by a
group called Cult of the Dead Cow (cDc).
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The Lopht had an interesting
relationship with the cDc.
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Actually there was 3 members,
that were in both organizations.
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And we kind of capped like,
the serious security research,
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that they were doing, they
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and if they're doing some sort
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they would do it under the cDc name,
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because the cDc was really kind of a,
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sort of, like a propaganda
type of organization.
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They had a guy who was
the minister of propaganda,
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they were kinda merry pranksters
like, everything they did,
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was completely over the top you know,
they would dress up like Mr-T sometimes,
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they would do rap songs at
DEFCON, like a rap performance.
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One of the guys there, I think his name is
t-fish, or short for tweety fish, coined the term
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hactivism, because he saw what,
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one of the things, his group was
doing, which he called hactivism
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was writing software that people in other
countries could use to communicate securely,
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even if their government
was spying on them.
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So what the principal was really,
was freedom of expression.
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It was everyone should
have access to the internet,
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everyone should be able to communicate and
get their message out on the internet.
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Even more important in countries,
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where there was repressive regimes,
that if you said something against the regime,
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they would come and take you away
and you weren't saying anything anymore.
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A good place to start are with,
what is often been called virtual sit-ins,
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which use the tactic of
a denial of service attack.
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Denial of service has been
around for a long long time.
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The equilevant of, like
if you, for some reason,
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wanted to disrupt a bus service, right?
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You can hire a thousand extras to all
go and like, line up at the bus station
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and get on the bus,
until that anyone who was
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really trying to get on
the bus, couldn't do it.
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It's as simple as that.
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When you stop trying to visit, the
website goes back up, no permanent damage.
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And this tactic has been used
by a number of different groups.
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Probably the most famous is the
Electronic Disturbance Theatre.
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Another really interesting case happened
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in Germany, where a group
of activists got together,
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who wanted to protest the
fact that the airline, Lufthansa,
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and they would take down the site
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and in fact eventually
the German courts ruled,
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that this was a legitimate form of protest.
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From airports security
to subway bag checks,
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there's no question,
it's a new world post 9/11.
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It's worse now,
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for humans, post 9/11,
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because intrusion and surveillance,
which is always going to be misused
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by those who can misuse it,
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has created a different kind of society,
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in which freedom, the freedom
to move unobserved, is a privilege
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only of the rich, privacy is a
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Hackers see the technology giving them sanction
to buy their privileged exclusion as well.
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Intrinsic to the technology,
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is the power to self transcend
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and get out of the
hump of the Bell Curve
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and move forward on par with the masters
of society and do battle with them
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on an equal, level, playing field.
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That's hactivism.
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Anonymous grew out of,
what's known as, 4chan.
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Essentially this is just
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a website, where people can upload images
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and you don't actually give your name,
it's just sort of anonymous.
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When you look at 4chan,
you're often surprised,
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because it looks like a site
from, like, 1995 or something.
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The idea is very simple:
You post a comment and you post a picture
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and you can post it under
your name, or anonymously
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and it's seperated into
boards about particular topics.
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There's a topic on anime,
there's a topic on weaponry.
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There's like a 4chan board for origami.
You just upload interesting pictures of origami.
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And then there was a group
called /b/. The /b/ board,
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which essentially was
for like, anything goes.
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The first time anybody goes on /b/,
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it's kind of an instant.. revulsion,
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'cause there's never a time that you go in
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That instantly puts off a lot of people.
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The idea is, post something
that can never be unseen.
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Half of the posts on /b/ are there specifically
to make peope not wanna come back to /b/.
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Have you ever read Lord of the flies?
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4chan and especially /b/,
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is Lord of the Flies,
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except some of them aren't 16 anymore,
they're just allowed to act 16.
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It's what you get when people are allowed
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to express themselves with absolutely
no restrictions whatsoever.
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It's the kind of sum of human imagination
when people can get together and paint together
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without any limits or parameters.
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It's the most vile, disgusting
and funny thing on the internet.
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4chan was founded by Chris "Moot" Poole,
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when he was very young, maybe 15,
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in the early 2000's.
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He started 4chan because he was
a big fan of Japanese animation.
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Chris "Moot" Poole is the sweetest
kid you've ever met in your life.
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He's small and he's got these tiny features
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and he runs the most disgusting
website in the world.
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What I think is really intriguing
about a community like 4chan,
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is just that it's this open place,
as I said it's raw, it's unfiltered,
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and.. sites like it are going
the way of the dinosaur right now.
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They're endangered, because we're
moving towards social networking,

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we're moving towards persistent identity,
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we're moving towards, you know,
a lack of privacy really.
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The /b/ board, it's the
exact opposite of facebook.
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In facebook, you're supposed to be who you are
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and there's, sort of, one model,
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which is that you're friends with people. Right?
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In 4chan, you're totally an anonymous nobody.
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And anonymous speech, a lot of it
is ugly, but not all of it, is (ugly).
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It's actually a sort of place,
where people can be honest.
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One of the important things about 4chan,
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is to have a thread that really explodes
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and lasts for a long time.
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If it doesn't,
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then it disappears, it's
a site that's not archived,
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so, it creates conditions for
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anything that grabs attention, at some level
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and so humor and grotesqueness,
as a result, are quite good for that.
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I'd rather just be referred to as anonymous I guess
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in the interviews, cause I have some dox out on me.
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4chan's just where I went to.
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I grew up on it and I lived there.
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That's what I did for fun.
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It takes a thick skin to enjoy it but you know,

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as long as you're not offended, you'll occasionally
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come into something really cool
or really creative on 4chan.
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I think the most interesting thing about
it, is how you can watch memes evolve.
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You'll see something posted one day,
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that a week later, has got
50.000 derivatives on there.
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A meme is, basically just an idea.
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It's kind of like a gene,
but in the realm of the idea.
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A lot of the great internet memes that we
all know and love, you know lolcats, right?
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You know, little cats doing funny things
and then you have "I can has cheezburger?"
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All that stuff seems to start in this
Petri dish, that is 4chan's /b/ board.
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"Say it publically and you're insane,
chocolate rain".
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Name any meme from the last
about 6 years and I'll bet you,
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either it's first posting
ever, was on 4chan or
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at least one of it's earliest revisions
that became what it was, was on 4chan.
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"I can see the food situation
is fucked, so we'll be on our way".
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It's basically the best
breeding ground for
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internet culture,
as far as I'm concerned.
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"Read your neighborhood insurance rates,
chocolate rain".
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4chan is also very known
for acts of trolling.
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Trolling is a fucking art.
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Trolling is getting the person you are talking to
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to get a pissed off as they possibly can
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and for no reason except your own enjoyment.

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Maybe you are trying to illustrate a point,
but it's mostly for your own enjoyment.
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For them it's funny, that the people
think the internet is serious business
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and if people think the internet is serious business,
it's a troll's job, to make their life terror.
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The idea of Anonymous,
came initially as a joke.
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I mean, somebody suggested that,
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what if the whole site,
what if 4chan, what if /b/,
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was just one person and what if
that just one guy, called "Anonymous"
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sitting somewhere and you're just
reading all these posts by one guy.
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And it kinda looks like that from
the outsiders perspective, I mean,
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there's no way to tell a difference,
it might as well be one guy.
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Fox news did very famous segments about it.
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They call themselves "Anonymous".
They are hackers on steroids,
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treating the web, like
a real life video game,
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sacking websites,
invading myspace accounts,
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disrupting innocent people's lives
and if you fight back, watch out!
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Destroy, die, attack,
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threats from a gang of computer hackers,
calling themselves "Anonymous".
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I've had 7 different passwords
and they've got them all so far.
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Anonymous hacked his site and
blastered it with gay sex pictures.
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His girlfriend left him.
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She thought that, I was
cheating on her with guys.
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As long as I can think back,
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Anonymous has done some pretty off-color
things in the name of getting cheap laughs,
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you know, but,
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I mean that's part of the culture.
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We get what we call "Lulz".
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"Lulz" is a corruption of lol which
stands for " laugh out loud".
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Anonymous gets big lulz,
from pulling random pranks
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for example, messing with online
children's games, like Habbo Hotel.
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Habbo Hotel was this online community,
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where you had an avatar and you
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walked around and talked to other people.
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It's kind of, like, an early
version of World of Warcraft,
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or Second Life or any
of those virtual worlds.
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What the people on /b/ did,
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was invade Habbo Hotel,
created thousands of avatars,
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they all had this one uniform of a
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black guy with a big afro,
wearing a black suit
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and so there would be

thousands of these people,
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black guys-black suit,
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you know, huge afro,
walking around this world
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and they would do things like,
form a swastika out of themselves
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and i think that was
a real landmark, because
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it was when they were able to see that,
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they can use their numbers to do something
really interesting and really disruptive.
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SO we blocked the entrance to their pool
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and that just pissed them off so fucking much.
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It was fucking beautiful!
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That was fucking just wonderful.
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Wonderful times!
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Those kids loved that pool,
they loved the shit out of their pool..
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The goal was actually to offend everyone,
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simply because the idea that we could offend
you by drawing a little shape on the screen,
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was stupid to the people involved in it.
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They were like, really you're going to get that
mad over us doing, just drawing this on the screen?
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Wow! Well, you need to refocus
a little on life 'cause,
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this should not be upsetting you that much.
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Barrett Brown, I'm the
director of project PM
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and former operative with Anonymous.
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We were targeting furries,
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which were just a sub-culture of people, of course,
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who, you know, a lot of people
in 4chan, find irritating,
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by virtue of their being irritating.
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A furry is someone, generally a male,

who's autistic, in his twenties,
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who identifies with animals and
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oftentimes has sexual attraction
to other people dressed as animals.
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There's diaper-furs -furries,
who enjoy wearing diapers,
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baby-furs, who enjoy
thinking themselves as a baby.
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We had furry infiltrators, we were trying, you know,
we had secret groups, mine was called the illuminati,
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/i/illuminati
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and our goal was to wreak
as much havoc as possible,
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because it was stupid.
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There was a point when I was, you know,
I'd otherwise seem a respectable writer,
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in 2007, when my first book came out,
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but I spent my evenings on
Second Life, that big virtual world,
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riding around in a virtual spaceship,

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with the words faggery-daggery-doo written on it,
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wearing afros
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and dropping virtual bombs
on little villages and concerts
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and waving giant penises around
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and that was the most fun
I've ever had in my life.
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All these different organizations online,
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whether it's 4chan, or just any website,
there is typically a community aspect to it.
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This where people have
their social relationships,
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this is where their friends are,
this is where they have a creative outlet
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and so all those aspects are
going into groups like Anonymous,
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where people, feel like
they're part of the bigger thing
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and they're able to express
themselves within that group.
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There were certain words, certain phrases,
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certain ways people respond to things,
certain images that are posted,
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that created a pattern
and that pattern was
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I guess the origin of
what is now Anonymous.
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It's like freemasons
with a sense of humor.
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Not so much, as they have
this common symbology
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and one of their chief joys,
which is kind of wrapped up
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in power and secrecy, was the fact
that they could recognise each other,
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by referencing these symbols,
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referencing these phrases.
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Over 9000,
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I lost my ipod,

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mudkipz, anything involving mudkipz,
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so you have this weird sort of
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international cultural developing with
people across the world, wherever they may be.
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..and late '06 and into early '07,
there's a bit of a sea change, where
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instead of just posting
a bunch of content or
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randomly saying, we're going to go over
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to some website and post a bunch
of dirty comments against someone,
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it becomes a little more organized.
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"Welcome to the Hal Turner show"
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They went after a guy named Hal Turner.
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"we've been discriminated against,
because I'm white.."
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Hal Turner is a Neo-Nazi, who
was big online and had a podcast.
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"I think that the 14th amendment
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was not ratified properly
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and I think therefore it is still OK
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to have negros as slaves in America".
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The first time I heard about Hal Turner,
is he was knocking somebody on 4chan.
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He was just being a major dick to a
relatively known user,
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and for the fun of it we started trolling
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and then I guess we figured we had a moral high ground
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which allowed us to get people on our side.
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BUt he was a fucking Neo-Nazi.
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That's not okay to be in modern society.
You're not allowed to do that
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and there's a million Neo-Nazis out there,
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but he started picking on our dude
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so we had to go to our dude's fucking defence
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and it just so happened that he was a Neo-Nazi so
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that's a bigger reason that he's a fucking dick face.

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..and like, yeah, screw that racist
son of a bitch, let's do this, you know?
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So I joined in and I made
some of the phonecalls
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and I played around on the chat-thing on his
website and posted in the threads and what not..
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"Who are you and where you're calling from?"
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"Ola, this is Pedro, from San Diego.."
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"Spick, don't talk, don't call my radio
show anymore, you filthy spick animal"..
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"..has begun an integration program,
where they try and purposely
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lower standards, to bring more
blacks and diversify the campus
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and by the end of the next 5 years,
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they intend to bring over 9000!"
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He was just a horribly
racist radio personality,
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who seemed to handle it
well, when you called in.
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He could handle being berated by Anonymous

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and that made it very interesting,
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it made it a bit of a challenge.
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It wasn't some guy,
who just either crumbled
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or stopped answering the phone,
it was a guy who would yell back.
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"I don't see really where
you're going with this."
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"Where I'm going is,
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I believe Barack Obama
is genetically incapable,
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of exercising the power necessary to govern
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the most complicated nation on earth.
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That's where I'm going with this.
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And I think part of the reason
he's incapable of doing it,
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is because of racial, genetic inferiority.
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Is that clear enough for you?"
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"No, you changed the subject again.."
"Wait a second, you asked me.."
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Hal Turner wasn't the first actual person
that Anonymous had caused trouble for,
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but the circumstances
ended up being significant.
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They DDoS'd his website,
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something like that cost him
thousands of dollars, bandwidth fees..
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We DDoS'd him, which is overflowing his server
with packets and fake information
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and then we kind of trolled him in real life.
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We sent countless pizzas to his house.
We signed him up for escorts on Craigslist.
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We sent a bunch of pallets of
industrial materials to his house
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which he ultimately had to foot the bill for
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and basically we destroyed his ability
to pay for his radio show
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and that took him off the Internet.
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He was super pissed.
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..and then they ended up
getting some real hackers
488
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,222
to help them out, like this
wasn't a sort of pranks,
489
00:25:59,250 --> 00:26:01,600
they actually were able to get into
490
00:26:01,666 --> 00:26:04,200
Hal Turner's private servers
491
00:26:04,222 --> 00:26:07,222
and his mail servers
and find some interesting
492
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:10,599
e-mails that he was
serving as an FBI informant,
493
00:26:10,666 --> 00:26:15,888
which if you're a right-wing
neo-nazi, is not a good thing to be.
494
00:26:16,111 --> 00:26:17,500
..and obviously him being an FBI informant
495
00:26:17,555 --> 00:26:23,777
and also his reaction, his sort of
douchebag reaction to the raids,
496
00:26:23,999 --> 00:26:25,250
damaged his credibility within
497
00:26:25,266 --> 00:26:27,000
the white-nationalist scene,
498
00:26:27,111 --> 00:26:28,666
which is a shame..
499
00:26:29,111 --> 00:26:30,222
Hal Turner is gone,
500
00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:34,500
he's been prosecuted by the
feds for threatening judges..

501
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,300
It wasn't supposed to be different
but it ended up being different.
502
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:41,250
People who observe Anonymous, see this group called
Anonymous is going after this white-nationalist and say:
503
00:26:41,255 --> 00:26:44,888
"Oh, hey look, Anonymous must be
some kind of activist organization"
504
00:26:44,999 --> 00:26:49,444
So, by virtue of these people joining Anonymous,
Anonymous becomes more of an activist organization.
505
00:26:49,555 --> 00:26:52,000
What follows is a period
of confusion and anger,
506
00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:53,750
whilst you have the
usual sort of people,
507
00:26:53,759 --> 00:27:01,111
who wanna keep Anonymous as this nihilist,
little ridiculous group, are upset that now
508
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,888
the most terrible thing on the internet,
509
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:05,750
is now becoming a force
for good all of a sudden.
510
00:27:05,777 --> 00:27:08,750
Project Chanology: A series of semi-coordinated 'attacks' on the
Church of Scientology, after its attempts to censor the internet.
511
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:08,750
512
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:08,750
513
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,222
Anonymous has never been
about getting media attention,

514
00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:16,333
or getting all of this attention
towards it, which means it's a community,
515
00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:20,000
a pretty, sometimes, insular community,
516
00:27:20,111 --> 00:27:23,750
that is kinda kept to itself,
to make jokes and make content,
517
00:27:23,777 --> 00:27:28,222
but that was of course changed completely,
518
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:30,444
it was trully and completely out of
it's head when chanology started.
519
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,148
Anonymous started to become
520
00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:34,470
less of a just a culture,
521
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:36,444
you know, people who
wanted to perform pranks
522
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:39,777
and more of the internet's first army.
523
00:27:39,888 --> 00:27:43,000
I'm Mike Vitale and my handle is "sethdood".
524
00:27:43,111 --> 00:27:45,222
Now, this is January 2008.
525
00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:49,000
Anonymous is strong now, you know, we're
not a little dinky fucking group anymore.
526
00:27:49,111 --> 00:27:51,309
This is millions of people
worldwide and we're watching.
527

00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:55,000
And then scientology stepped in,
with a big target on it's chest.
528
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:56,659
A video came out of Tom Cruise,
529
00:27:56,666 --> 00:28:00,000
which was supposed to be like
an internal scientology video,
530
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,970
talking about secrets of scientology.
531
00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:03,970
532
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,222
"Being a scientologist,
533
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:09,039
when you drive past an accident,
534
00:28:09,111 --> 00:28:10,750
it's not like anyone else.
535
00:28:10,777 --> 00:28:14,500
As you drive past, you know you
have to do something about it because,
536
00:28:14,666 --> 00:28:16,500
you know you're the only
one that can really help."
537
00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:18,950
He talks about, that you're
the only one, who can stop
538
00:28:18,999 --> 00:28:20,750
bad things from happening
539
00:28:20,777 --> 00:28:23,500
and so this is kinda
widely mocked online.
540
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:26,333
It circulated like wildfire!

541
00:28:28,444 --> 00:28:34,666
"there's nothing part of the way for me,
it's just..(all the way?..)"
542
00:28:34,777 --> 00:28:36,299
..people found it humorous and goofy
543
00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:39,111
and the church of scientology went into
544
00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:42,222
their "legal mode" and they
threatened websites with
545
00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:44,500
lawsuits, if they didn't
pull down the video.
546
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:48,190
Instantly the scientologists posted a DMCA,
547
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:50,111
(Digital Millenioum Copyright Act)
548
00:28:50,222 --> 00:28:52,150
and this is a way,
that if you own content,
549
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,400
you can go to video sites, upload sites
550
00:28:54,444 --> 00:28:57,250
and have your content pulled
when someone uploads it illegally.
551
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:59,111
So scientology is always
at odds with the internet,
552
00:28:59,148 --> 00:29:02,539
always trying to legally bully people,
out of fucking them over on the internet.
553
00:29:02,555 --> 00:29:07,280
They always did that and then here
they are trying again, but you know what,

554
00:29:07,299 --> 00:29:09,400
Anonymous saw that and he said,
555
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,000
"You guys just fucked around badly,
you're trying to sensor our internet,
556
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,800
you're trying to take a joke away
from Anonymous, you don't do that."
557
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:24,500
What these people did in this case is,
Gregg Housh and these other people, was
558
00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:29,000
they decided, we can probably harness
Anonymous in this case and target scientology.
559
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,980
A few anons, a few people on 4 chan posted: "Hey, we
should grab that video and post it on a few other sites"
560
00:29:34,999 --> 00:29:41,000
and I was one the people on that thread, talking
about it and we got the original source of the video
561
00:29:41,050 --> 00:29:43,500
by reaching out to the person
behind the accounts and everything.
562
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:48,750
We started posting it. The surprising thing,
was how fast they were DMCAing it on every site.
563
00:29:48,777 --> 00:29:52,750
It looked to us like, they must
have direct contact with the lawyers
564
00:29:52,777 --> 00:29:55,269
and the team who actually pulls
videos off at all of these sites.
565
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:59,700
It was minutes and these things
were falling down, like, holy crap!
566

00:29:59,950 --> 00:30:01,500
That's messed up!
567
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:05,788
What followed was, there's this term
called the "Barbra Streisand effect"
568
00:30:05,788 --> 00:30:11,555
and this video as they were attempting
to suppress it, it went everywhere like,
569
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,250
everywhere you look on the internet
you were gonna stumble upon this video.
570
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:17,538
Actually gawker, the site that I work for,
571
00:30:17,555 --> 00:30:20,440
was I think, the first one
to put it on the website
572
00:30:20,444 --> 00:30:23,244
and we got in a huge legal
battle with scientology,
573
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:25,480
who wanted us to take it down.
574
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:25,480
575
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:25,480
576
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:25,480
577
00:30:32,109 --> 00:30:34,000
A guy joins the channel
578
00:30:34,111 --> 00:30:37,000
and he says, you should all look at gawker.
579
00:30:37,111 --> 00:30:40,200
So we go over to gawker and
the strangest thing has happened.
580
00:30:40,222 --> 00:30:42,888

This big media company had the video
581
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:44,500
up on their front page and basically had
582
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:47,380
a comment underneath it, that
stated very clearly that the FBI,
583
00:30:47,444 --> 00:30:49,150
would have to come and take their servers
584
00:30:49,159 --> 00:30:50,500
to get this video taken down.
585
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:53,250
That they were sick of
this abuse that was going on.
586
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,500
That made us think, what have
we got ourselves mixed up in here?
587
00:30:57,750 --> 00:31:01,666
Scientology is an interesting
target, because in some ways,
588
00:31:01,666 --> 00:31:05,666
it's the perfect inversion
of what geeks and hackers value.
589
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:07,000
At so many different levels:
590
00:31:07,058 --> 00:31:08,500
science fiction,
591
00:31:08,555 --> 00:31:10,666
intellectual property,
592
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:12,500
discourses of freedom,
593
00:31:12,555 --> 00:31:14,500
science and technology,
594

00:31:14,555 --> 00:31:16,444
it's very proprietary,
595
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,300
it's closed
596
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:22,250
and so in some ways if
you had something like,
597
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:26,750
a cultural inversion machine and
you stuck geeks and hackers in there,
598
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:29,500
you'd get something that
looks a lot like scientology,
599
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,777
so it's quite offensive and
there's a real pleasure in
600
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,500
attacking your perfect nemesis.
601
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:37,500
We're such poor opposites,
602
00:31:37,555 --> 00:31:41,398
with them being secretive
and us hating secrets
603
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,666
and them being so inclusive and us being,
you know, anybody can say they're anonymous
604
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,000
and most importantly, how
fucking self-important they were.
605
00:31:49,111 --> 00:31:50,740
They thought they were fucking untouchable.
606
00:31:50,777 --> 00:31:52,740
They thought they were like, you know,
607
00:31:52,777 --> 00:31:56,740

like their own little church
mafia and shit, you know?
608
00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:00,740
Anonymous will..,
it's like a play-toy now.
609
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,600
We're gonna make you
look, as stupid as shit.
610
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,444
What really kinda dared us
and set us off about scientology
611
00:32:07,450 --> 00:32:10,250
is specifically the treatment of their critics.
612
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,400
Anybody who says anything
bad about scientology,
613
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:15,750
is automatically some sort of criminal,
614
00:32:15,777 --> 00:32:17,900
some sort of crazy person, a drug addict.
615
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400
It's just that kind of
mentality that kind of, like,
616
00:32:21,666 --> 00:32:24,329
if anybody says anything bad about you,
617
00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:28,250
we're gonna fuck you over
in the worst possible way.
618
00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:32,750
It resonated like, this
feeling of disgust within us.
619
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,750
That was THE big problem.
620
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,700

The sensorship aspect of it.
621
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,500
The audacity of this creepy cult,
622
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:42,400
to go into our territory
623
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,400
and tell us that we can't post this?
624
00:32:44,666 --> 00:32:46,900
No, fuck them! No..
625
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:48,000
It's not gonna happen.
626
00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:51,400
And people who knew what Anonymous
was to begin with were like,
627
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:53,500
OMG, Anonymous is gonna
go to war with scientology,
628
00:32:53,666 --> 00:32:55,000
this should be really interesting.
629
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,666
Especially, cause it's 2 weird-ass groups
630
00:32:57,750 --> 00:33:00,000
I mean, I've been an anon for a long time.
631
00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:02,159
I know Anonymous is really strange.
632
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,750
They're weird and the
stuff we like is weird
633
00:33:05,777 --> 00:33:08,000
and it's really not mainstream at all.
634
00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:09,500
Now you have scientology,

635
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:13,666
also really weird, a lot
of crazy shit goes down.
636
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:16,100
Anybody on the outside,
who's seen this, is going:
637
00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:18,230
"Let's watch these two retards fight.
638
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:20,850
Both their pants are gonna fall
down, they're gonna cripple
639
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:22,000
and it's gonna hurt everybody
640
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,200
and it's gonna be hysterical."
641
00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:25,222
And what happened was all
these people who were geared up,
642
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:29,111
the infrastracture was build
to war with other anons.
643
00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:30,777
..said: you know what? Fuck it!
644
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Everybody is gonna get together and
pound the fuck out of scientology.
645
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:41,000
And then that's when 4chan
really reared into action,
646
00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:44,000
and they started to troll
the church of scientology
647
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:49,150
and this took the form of pranking

the dianetics hotline, ordering pizzas..
648
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:51,444
Every fax number we get,
we were sharing 'em all,
649
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,000
every number we get,
even blank pieces of paper,
650
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:57,580
on a loop until we saw the ring.
651
00:33:57,850 --> 00:34:02,250
I got to call 'em on the phone
and it's busy, busy, busy..
652
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,000
That's their main dianetics hotline,
653
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,440
their dianetics 800-number.
654
00:34:06,666 --> 00:34:10,600
You can't get through, because
anons have completely clogged it
655
00:34:10,628 --> 00:34:12,150
and probably saying just stupid shit.
656
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,500
The whole idea was just, you call
'em just to keep 'em on the phone.
657
00:34:14,555 --> 00:34:16,099
"What's up L. Ron (Hubbard),
658
00:34:16,111 --> 00:34:18,150
how do I dianetics my face?"
659
00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:20,000
They were not expecting that
660
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:21,000
and they couldn't handle it.
661

00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:27,750
I'm Brian Mettenbrink.
662
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:32,500
I always liked anything technical,
mechanical, anything sciency really.
663
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,000
Computers do what you tell 'em to,
they don't all of a sudden start doing
664
00:34:37,150 --> 00:34:44,000
weird stuff and if they do it's probably your fault
and I was like that, you know, perfect really, in a way.
665
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:48,000
I'd just gone to 4chan,
just on pure happenstance and
666
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:53,250
I saw a post about the scientology thing and
I started looking up stuff and I'm like, oh,
667
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,666
this is actually for a decent cause,
I think I'll do this.
668
00:34:56,750 --> 00:35:00,450
You started seing all the stuff in /b/
and I saw the stuff in /b/ then.
669
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,750
Everyone is gonna DDoS scientology,
everyone is going to bandwidth-rape them.
670
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,200
Anonymous members have developed a
671
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:08,800
Distributed Denial of Service attack,
672
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,500
to a called, Low Orbit Ion Cannon,
which is taken from a computer game.
673
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:20,250
Low Orbit Ion Cannon is what's called
an "endgame weapon" in Red Alert.

674
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:24,500
All you had to do was literally
follow instructions step by step.
675
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,250
I downloaded the program that's free
and legal for anyone to download and use
676
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,750
and I followed the instructions
and I typed in www.scientology.org
677
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,750
and I pushed "GO" and what it does is,
it tells scientology.org, in this case,
678
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,222
to send their website
to my computer about,
679
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:49,500
I think it was 800.000 times in a weekend
680
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:52,800
and I'm pretty sure I probably took
it down myself, a couple of times.
681
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,750
This tool is,
682
00:35:53,777 --> 00:35:56,000
Low Orbit Ion Cannon,
683
00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:59,200
sometimes referred to as LOIC.
684
00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:01,777
I'm actually not breaking any laws,
685
00:36:01,798 --> 00:36:04,100
by using this tool
against my own computer
686
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,318
at 127.0.0.1,

687
00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:08,300
which is a non-routeable address,
688
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:13,500
but of course if I were to attack one
of those other bigger sites out there,
689
00:36:13,666 --> 00:36:16,400
I would have severely
been breaking the law
690
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,000
and I would have been doing it,
in a way that is quite easy to track.
691
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:21,000
You put on the site,
692
00:36:21,250 --> 00:36:24,500
you see that the ip is correct,
you make sure all these settings are good
693
00:36:24,666 --> 00:36:27,869
and you hit the button
and off it goes.
694
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,250
It felt like you were
making a difference
695
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,500
just you, yourself
696
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:37,000
and you didn't even
have to leave your home.
697
00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:39,000
You just sat at your computer
698
00:36:39,009 --> 00:36:40,188
and followed instructions
699
00:36:40,222 --> 00:36:45,000
and you stood up for what you believe in,
so to speak, you made your say in the world

700
00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:47,500
and hopefully it turns out better for it.
701
00:36:47,730 --> 00:36:51,000
That was some really
crazy stuff to watch,
702
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:54,450
to be sitting there in front of
a monitor and you have information
703
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:59,748
just flying in front of you and
it's this unseeable internet war.
704
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,500
And one of the guys said,
we need to make a video.
705
00:37:01,555 --> 00:37:02,750
We just have to make a video.
706
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:05,750
"Hello, leaders of scientology
707
00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:07,000
we are Anonymous."
708
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000
When the video came
out on January 21st,
709
00:37:10,168 --> 00:37:12,500
that was one of the
first times that Anonymous,
710
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,750
as a culture,
711
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,500
started referring to itself
as Anonymous as a movement and
712
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:22,208
declare that it was
going to take down

713
00:37:22,222 --> 00:37:24,600
and destroy the church of scientology.
714
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:26,150
That video probably
changed everything.
715
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:30,000
"Knowledge is free.
We are Anonymous, we are legion.
716
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:32,666
We do not forgive, we do not forget.
717
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:33,750
Expect us."
718
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:36,222
It basically looked like, if a
computer was going to tell you,
719
00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:38,500
that it was gonna beat the shit out
of you, this is what it would look like.
720
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:42,000
That one video, really
galvanized that moment,
721
00:37:42,250 --> 00:37:45,000
that moment of innovation.
722
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:46,250
That's exactly like,
723
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,500
with that video internet activism,
as it's known today, was born.
724
00:37:50,666 --> 00:37:54,000
What the video was saying was:
It's over.
725
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:55,700
You're not going to be able to
726

00:37:55,728 --> 00:37:58,750
follow people back to their
houses anymore with impunity.
727
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,666
You're not gonna be able to just
issue cease-and-desist letters.
728
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:08,708
Any reporter, who wants to write some shit
about you, that you don't like, that's done with.
729
00:38:08,708 --> 00:38:11,000
Everytime you do that,
Anonymous is gonna hit you harder.
730
00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:13,333
So we made a video named,
'Call to Arms'. It said:
731
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:15,666
We're going to the streets,
every major city of the world
732
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,100
has a scientology building.
733
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:19,329
"Be very wary of the 10th of February.
734
00:38:19,333 --> 00:38:22,900
Anonymous invites you to join
us in an act of solidarity.
735
00:38:22,929 --> 00:38:29,219
Anonymous invites you to take up the banner of
free speech, of human rights, of family and freedom.
736
00:38:29,222 --> 00:38:33,000
Join us in protest outside of
scientology centers worldwide."
737
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:36,500
..and you just see this consensus
forming that it's going to happen.
738
00:38:36,666 --> 00:38:39,100
So we made the 3rd video,

the 'Code of Conduct.'
739
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,500
Don't bring weapons, dress accordingly,
740
00:38:41,666 --> 00:38:43,000
cover your faces, 'cause
they will try and find out
741
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,600
who you are and screw with your life.
742
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:46,300
"Rule number 17:
743
00:38:46,333 --> 00:38:51,350
Cover your face. This will prevent your
identification from videos taken by hostiles."
744
00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:54,878
Scientology has a history of harassing,
745
00:38:54,878 --> 00:38:58,719
stalking and just generally doing
horrible things to it's critics,
746
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,728
so people needed a way
to hide their identities.
747
00:39:01,728 --> 00:39:04,000
A lot of people had very legitimate fears.
748
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,800
They don't want to be followed home,
they don't want to be stalked,
749
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,000
they don't wanna put their
families or themselves in danger.
750
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:09,550
Everyone was all, well,
we're gonna wear a mask.
751
00:39:09,666 --> 00:39:12,666
What's the only mask that we all

already know, or have a joke about?
752
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:14,500
..and it's the Guy Fawkes mask.
753
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:15,750
You seen the movie 'V for Vendetta'?
754
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,500
You know, the ending scene where
everyone is wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.
755
00:39:18,666 --> 00:39:23,000
That is very reminescent of
what Anonymous thinks, Anonymous is.
756
00:39:28,958 --> 00:39:33,750
We wanted to represent anonimity in
some way, when it moved into real life.
757
00:39:33,850 --> 00:39:35,666
I think that the Guy Fawkes mask,
758
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,750
was one of the most
natural things to happen.
759
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,150
It is the idea that,
non of us are as cruel as all of us.
760
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,950
You have this massive crowd
of people who are Anonymous,
761
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,550
that is going to fight
against a bigger thing and win.
762
00:39:50,666 --> 00:39:53,190
Even after watching the video
it's like, yeah this is great but,
763
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:56,150
who is actually gonna do it?
Who's gonna step up?
764

00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,500
Our people are actually
gonna get out of their house?!
765
00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:03,150
And I guess we were really
affected by the stereotype of
766
00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:04,250
that whole community
767
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:08,259
their being insolent when they're
too afraid to leave their mum's basements.
768
00:40:08,259 --> 00:40:11,000
I figured, maybe 50 nerds
from every city somewhere
769
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:15,450
might show up and wear their masks
out of a building for a while and leave.
770
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:16,750
No one thought that
they were gonna come out.
771
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,500
This is me on the way there.
I haven't slept, very fuckin' tired..
772
00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:26,750
..and I remember going to the park that day
and it's really early in the morning
773
00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:28,250
(which I thought was a bad idea)
774
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:32,500
and I'm smoking a cigarette and I'm looking
around like, where the fuck is everybody?
775
00:40:32,666 --> 00:40:33,800
There's nobody here.
776
00:40:35,498 --> 00:40:38,666
So here I am. Sitting in Bronx Park,

777
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,333
waiting for the other anons to show up.
778
00:40:41,878 --> 00:40:45,333
I remember thinking, like, oh fuck!
Am I gonna be the only one in the park?
779
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:48,358
Am I going to walk to
scientology with 6 or 7 people,
780
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:53,750
which totally defeats the entire purpose of this
because now they could single me out? You know?
781
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,500
Then I get up and I start walking around
782
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,500
and I see there's a lot of green
balloons over there, for some reason,
783
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,200
on the other side of the park!
784
00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:04,000
There was like 200 people!
785
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:06,500
There was Guy Fawkes masks everywhere
786
00:41:06,666 --> 00:41:09,500
and I'm like, holy shit, this is huge!
787
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,000
There's a lot of us.
That's pretty good.
788
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:19,333
I had no idea how many anons
there were until we started moving..
789
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,690
..and it just got bigger!
790
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:29,200

I remember walking through Times Square and
791
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:32,666
everybody in Times Square was an anon.
792
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,500
This is like a 1000 person
per minute foot traffic area
793
00:41:36,666 --> 00:41:39,666
and everywhere I'm looking,
I'm seeing anon's symbols.
794
00:41:39,666 --> 00:41:39,666
795
00:41:39,666 --> 00:41:39,666
796
00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:43,750
It was fucking wild!
It was really wild.
797
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:43,750
798
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:43,750
799
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:43,750
800
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:43,750
801
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:43,750
802
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:43,750
803
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:43,750
804
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:09,000
..we start getting numbers in..
805

00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,750
..and Sidney:
806
00:42:10,888 --> 00:42:13,888
We're thinking that,
it's going to be 50 people
807
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,750
and before 10am,
808
00:42:16,888 --> 00:42:19,000
before even time, there's
already 50 people there
809
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:21,748
and there's still streams of
people walking down the streets.
810
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,500
A couple of hours into it, you know,
811
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,666
'cause it could have been
till 1 in the morning,
812
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:29,250
you're looking at Sidney as.. wow!
813
00:42:29,333 --> 00:42:31,000
There's 250 people in Sidney.
814
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,250
The cops are estimating higher
than that for their reports.
815
00:42:34,666 --> 00:42:36,250
What just happened?
816
00:42:36,333 --> 00:42:38,750
Adelaide, Perth and Melbourne happened
817
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,750
and you know, over
200 in each of them.
818
00:42:40,888 --> 00:42:43,750
We nearly broke a thousand leaving Australia.

819
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,750
Now, the next protest was Tel Aviv,
820
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
which had actually got it's first
scientology building a week before this.
821
00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:54,000
There were Palestinians and Israelis
at this protest, both holding their flags
822
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,800
and at one point, they actually switched
flags and held up each other's flags.
823
00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:58,200
It was awesome to see.
824
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,100
I call our guy in
London, a Brit anon
825
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:02,989
and I say hey,
what's going on there?
826
00:43:02,989 --> 00:43:04,750
And he's like, did you
just get out of bed?
827
00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:06,250
I said, yeah, I didn't
even turn on the computer,
828
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:07,250
I just figured I'd call you.
829
00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:11,750
And he said, we've got 600 people
and the cops are really mad at me.
830
00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:15,900
All the major cities were having
hundreds of people come out.
831
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:17,000

It was massive!
832
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:20,750
Clearwater had like 300 people.
833
00:43:22,478 --> 00:43:24,000
I don't think anyone beat out L.A.
834
00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:26,500
I think L.A. had over a thousand people.
835
00:43:30,148 --> 00:43:33,500
The thing that happened was
something completely different,
836
00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:37,200
hundreds and hundreds
of people from every city,
837
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:39,500
just.. swarmed the streets.
838
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:44,350
It's kind of overwhelming, a little
even scary, but scary in a good way.
839
00:43:44,366 --> 00:43:47,000
Soon, you know, we'd outrun the 10.000 mark
840
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:50,500
and we were joking the whole time,
over 9000, you know, one of those memes.
841
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,666
It was too sureal,
it was not believeable.
842
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,600
We go by one name.
843
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:59,500
We are Anonymous.
844
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,750
It was very empowering,
845

00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,333
especially after people saw
thousands of people showing up.
846
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:07,250
This was it. We owned
the world at that point.
847
00:44:07,799 --> 00:44:09,600
You've got lolcats
and you've got Rickrolling,
848
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,550
you've got all these other things,
that Anonymous has been involved in..
849
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,250
..then you know, take us a month later and
850
00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:18,750
10.000 people were just in the streets,
851
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:23,500
in every major country in the world
and every major city in the world
852
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:25,750
and what the hell just happened?
853
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,800
What changed, who flipped the switch?
854
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,333
The world looked very
different to me at that point.
855
00:44:31,666 --> 00:44:33,888
We all met each other.
856
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,666
The idea of an anon is, you're
alone until you get to 4chan
857
00:44:38,888 --> 00:44:41,500
and then these people think like you.
858
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:47,850

Then, all of a sudden, you're not
alone, you are with 500 others.
859
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,909
They all know the same jokes as you,
860
00:44:50,909 --> 00:44:55,000
they all, clearly, have
similar interests as you.
861
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,000
Here's your culture.
862
00:44:57,949 --> 00:45:01,333
You meet your own people finally.
863
00:45:03,878 --> 00:45:08,750
Immediately you felt like you were at home,
if you were an anon you were at home.
864
00:45:08,850 --> 00:45:12,500
We all spent years in the same place
looking at the same pictures,
865
00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:14,750
laughing at the same jokes,
866
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,100
pretty much we were already friends,
even though we've never ever met.
867
00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:21,500
It was very happy.
868
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,750
It's perhaps a little surprising.
869
00:45:25,888 --> 00:45:28,800
It's not just pre-teens or teenagers,
870
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:33,000
there's a far more even
mix of males and females,
871
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:34,900
than you would imagine otherwise.

872
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:38,950
Everyone always figured
Anonymous was a very male ..thing.
873
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:41,600
But it wasn't like that, at all.
874
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:44,000
There's some hot girls come through,
875
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,000
like, it's some really (..!),
876
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,108
you'd be surprised..
877
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:52,700
..and you know there were a lot of
these guys who weren't socially good.
878
00:45:52,888 --> 00:45:54,150
They were very awkward,
879
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,250
they still lived at home
at 23, half of them virgins
880
00:45:57,250 --> 00:46:03,200
and I tell you, the amount of those people
who got laid from these protests happening,
881
00:46:03,333 --> 00:46:07,900
is in the thousands, that would
not have, for years probably.
882
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:10,000
That's why those protests were so important.
883
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:16,000
It was a chance to finally meet other people
that were previously Anonymous and unknown
884
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:19,750
and hence it was the moment
of the end of their anonymity.
885

00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,250
Scientology, they kind of fought back,
so to speak. They posted stuff online.
886
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,568
While claiming they are peaceful,
887
00:46:31,568 --> 00:46:35,950
in less than 3 weeks,
Anonymous members made or encouraged:
888
00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:40,500
8139 harassing or threatening phonecalls,
889
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:44,666
3.6 million malicious e-mails,
890
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,750
141 million hits against church websites,
891
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:52,000
10 acts of vandalism,
892
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:54,750
22 bomb threats
893
00:46:55,059 --> 00:47:00,200
and 8 death threats against members
and officials of the church of scientology.
894
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,050
They basically antagonized,
really is what they did,
895
00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:07,000
which is really one of
the things they're great at.
896
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:09,200
They wanted to find me.
897
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,750
They did. They hired PI's.
898
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,450
They started taking pictures of us,
threatening to sue us.

899
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:16,100
People were getting followed,
900
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:18,100
people were getting followed home,
901
00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:20,539
(..) be a regular thing for someone to say,
902
00:47:20,539 --> 00:47:23,750
oh, I had to lose someone on the subway,
903
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,150
I saw someone from the scientology center
and they were following me.
904
00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:30,938
They would follow us to our houses,
905
00:47:30,938 --> 00:47:33,750
tried to intimidate us,
send us cease-and-desist letters.
906
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,900
They had a P.I. hand deliver a
cease-and-desist letter from a very expensive lawyer.
907
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,850
It was a double message there,
you know, it was a hey,
908
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:45,900
we know were you live, man we know your
name and here's something from our lawyer.
909
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,666
These old tactics that they used,
910
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:55,250
to fight the activism they
faced before the internet just..,
911
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,666
were completely ineffective against chanology.
912

00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:04,500
Most of the people who received them,
actually framed them and put them on their wall.
913
00:48:04,668 --> 00:48:06,250
I've seen multiple of them
framed and put on the wall.
914
00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:07,948
Mine is sitting in my
closet somewhere, in a box.
915
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:10,688
They don't care to actually
use the legal system to
916
00:48:10,750 --> 00:48:14,250
get you thrown in jail, they care to
use the legal system to get you to stop.
917
00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:21,750
I did the whole Low Orbit
Ion Cannon stuff and then
918
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,750
I pretty much just went
about my life after that
919
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:28,000
for probably,
920
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:32,500
6 months and then the FBI showed up
here at my parents house, where I wasn't,
921
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,450
looking for me.
922
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,600
2 men got out of a car and
923
00:48:37,666 --> 00:48:39,469
(-flashed their guns)
924
00:48:39,469 --> 00:48:42,458
took their jackets off
and laid their guns on the

925
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:47,250
front seat and came out
to ask us if Brian was home
926
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:53,000
and explained that they were the FBI
and they were looking for Brian
927
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,500
and I've never been so scared.
928
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,500
And then my parents directed
them to where I was living
929
00:48:59,750 --> 00:49:01,259
and they showed up and said,
930
00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:03,628
I'd like to have a friendly
conversation with you
931
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:05,619
and I had the worst friendly
conversation of my life.
932
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:09,750
We sat down at my dining room table
and they just started asking me questions
933
00:49:09,850 --> 00:49:14,500
and I'm trying to figure out what
they are here for, 'cause I have no idea
934
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:18,888
and they eventually started
asking me questions about Anonymous.
935
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:20,750
I was scared to death.
936
00:49:20,888 --> 00:49:22,666
I mean, my son is,
937
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,150
is looking at 5 years in jail

938
00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:29,500
and a 100.000$ fine.
939
00:49:29,888 --> 00:49:32,400
I had no idea, that
it was any sort of
940
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:37,250
dispicable crime to do what I did.
I thought it was the kind of 'slap on the wrist',
941
00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:39,628
200$ fine type crime.
942
00:49:41,628 --> 00:49:44,500
So I actually told them,
that I did it at that point.
943
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:48,000
Then it went from there.
944
00:49:49,518 --> 00:49:51,666
I would've never ever believed that,
945
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:52,850
the maximum punishment for this,
946
00:49:52,888 --> 00:49:54,750
was 5 years in prison.
947
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:57,750
It was a very eye-opening experience.
948
00:49:58,333 --> 00:50:00,333
I had a little bit of
trouble accepting it,
949
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:03,250
knowing that, I could
go to prison for 5 years,
950
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,000
knowing that, I would be
imprisoned from age 20 to 25 for this.
951
00:50:10,333 --> 00:50:11,888

I thought, that was
a little bit extreme.
952
00:50:12,777 --> 00:50:15,250
I tell people, that it
would be different if they
953
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:20,500
drank and drove and killed somebody.
954
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,500
But he didn't do that.
955
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:28,500
It's hard to deal with,
harder to deal with,
956
00:50:28,666 --> 00:50:30,000
'cause he didn't do that.
957
00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:33,000
He just pushed a button on his computer and,
958
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,666
as he explained it to me at the time,
959
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,500
it was like pushing the refresh button
960
00:50:39,789 --> 00:50:44,000
over and over, 800.000 times
961
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:47,550
and it seems like
such a little thing.
962
00:50:48,250 --> 00:50:51,333
I did the 2nd-most damages,
what scientology said I did,
963
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,666
I sent 2nd-most out of everybody,
964
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:56,088
so I got the maximum, for my category,
965

00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,750
which was 1 year in prison
and 1 year supervised release.
966
00:50:58,750 --> 00:50:58,750
967
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:05,750
I think the way I
feel for what I did,
968
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,500
was one of the most
969
00:51:08,929 --> 00:51:11,250
lopsided punishments I've ever
970
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:11,250
971
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:13,666
read about or heard of.
972
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,750
Yeah, I think it's ridiculous,
973
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,750
especially the year supervised release
974
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,100
where I can't touch
a computer for a year.
975
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:26,000
I'm not sure what's that supposed to
solve, except make my life difficult.
976
00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:29,100
So, that computer behind me back there,
977
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:31,918
I could go back to prison
if I went over and touched it.
978
00:51:31,918 --> 00:51:34,838
I can't knowingly associate
with members of Anonymous.
979

00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:38,688
They just made a big deal about
scientology's religion and that
980
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:41,500
this is America and you can
believe in whatever you wanna believe.
981
00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:45,028
I'm pretty sure they
actually compared me to
982
00:51:45,028 --> 00:51:48,000
the KKK and the nazis
and stuff in the court room.
983
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:50,450
It's a completely different issue.
984
00:51:50,666 --> 00:51:53,250
I'm very proud of what he did.
985
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,400
He stood up for what he believed in,
986
00:51:55,500 --> 00:52:00,000
but that was never ever mentioned.
987
00:52:01,389 --> 00:52:04,500
I never would even dream of hurting anybody.
988
00:52:06,750 --> 00:52:07,500
Not me.
989
00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:15,666
Prior to Anonymous,
critics of the church
990
00:52:15,888 --> 00:52:18,500
still had to be very-very careful,
991
00:52:19,529 --> 00:52:21,950
because of the agressive lawsuits
992
00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:25,666
that were launched against academics,
journalists and other critics.

993
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:28,250
I would say that era is over
994
00:52:28,450 --> 00:52:32,666
and Anonymous more than any other
sort of intervention is probably
995
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:34,500
responsible for that change.
996
00:52:34,666 --> 00:52:37,000
This is actually called
a decent rift in Anonymous.
997
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:40,358
There was one big group,
significant group of people who'd say:
998
00:52:40,666 --> 00:52:44,333
this chanology stuff is
cancer, is awful, is bad,
999
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,300
is just bringing attention
to us that we don't want.
1000
00:52:46,333 --> 00:52:49,666
The trolling isn't happening,
we're not getting our jollies,
1001
00:52:49,888 --> 00:52:54,429
now this is all really serious
and moral and somber,
1002
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,150
that's not what I signed
up for, that kind of thing
1003
00:52:59,250 --> 00:53:02,500
and then there are the people who
were on the other side who were going,
1004
00:53:03,108 --> 00:53:07,298
I only signed up for the serious and somber.
You guys, go away.
1005

00:53:09,298 --> 00:53:15,148
(..) and it became this fierce clash
of ideologies and it was alien to us.
1006
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:20,000
They decided that, in their own words,
which I was privy to 'cause it was told to me,
1007
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:22,500
stop ruinning our bad name.
1008
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,250
So to make Anonymous look bad,
they go off and they post
1009
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:30,500
animated .gifs, animated images
to epilepsy forums,
1010
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,550
that are black and white
just strobing really quickly,
1011
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:38,480
so any of the epilepsy people on these support forums
see it and they fall off their chairs and seizure.
1012
00:53:38,888 --> 00:53:40,750
You start hearing this term, moralfag.
1013
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,333
If you're not out there making epileptics
have seizures, then you're doing it wrong.
1014
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,000
So you're a moral fag.
1015
00:53:46,333 --> 00:53:48,000
Which is what I am, a moralfag.
1016
00:53:48,005 --> 00:53:50,500
Those who wanna use Anonymous as
1017
00:53:50,666 --> 00:53:53,250
a tool for good in some sense
1018
00:53:53,929 --> 00:53:57,250

rather than just do what we were used
to do, which is to screw with video games.
1019
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:59,666
One anon said it well once.
1020
00:53:59,888 --> 00:54:02,250
There is no leader,
1021
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,500
their ops have
1022
00:54:05,250 --> 00:54:07,666
momentary leaders, defacto leaders.
1023
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,100
I like to describe this
1024
00:54:10,550 --> 00:54:13,100
with a picture of a bird swarm.
1025
00:54:15,550 --> 00:54:18,199
Everybody's flying very, very quiet
1026
00:54:18,222 --> 00:54:21,200
suddenly one bird flies in another direction
1027
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:25,400
and the mass fly into the same direction, following that person.
1028
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,700
It's totally okay to say, "I'm sorry, I don't take part."
1029
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,600
When Chanology was running full force
1030
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:40,888
it was like a kid stretching for the first time
1031
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,250
and actually seeing their real power.
1032
00:54:45,333 --> 00:54:47,500
It's the teenage period actually...
1033

00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:50,378
...trying Operation Titstorm.
1034
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:52,500
Operation Titstorm.
1035
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Australia over the past couple
of years, has been relatively
1036
00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:58,333
malignant in their attitude
towards internet freedom,
1037
00:54:58,500 --> 00:54:59,777
compared to other western countries.
1038
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,333
A guy named tux, wanted to
attack the Australian goverment,
1039
00:55:03,350 --> 00:55:06,500
in retaliation for upcoming
internet censorship laws.
1040
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:11,666
One of them involved banning pornography
with women with small breasts, for some reason,
1041
00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:16,666
so that was the first time that
Anonymous went up against a goverment.
1042
00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:19,250
When they did, they DDoS'd and
took down several goverment sites.
1043
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,500
It was the first time that Anonymous
1044
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,400
was going up against a state.
1045
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,750
If you'd ask me,
1046
00:55:28,888 --> 00:55:32,200

all throughout 2008 and most of 2009,
1047
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:36,333
is the politics of Anonymous,
always going to be sutured and hinged to
1048
00:55:36,350 --> 00:55:38,333
the church of scientology,
1049
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:40,000
I would have said yes.
1050
00:55:41,025 --> 00:55:44,250
and it became unsutured, unhinged,
1051
00:55:44,333 --> 00:55:47,888
when a different political
wing was born in 2010.
1052
00:55:47,888 --> 00:55:47,888
1053
00:55:47,888 --> 00:55:47,888
1054
00:55:47,888 --> 00:55:47,888
1055
00:55:48,208 --> 00:55:53,750
The motion picture association (MPAA)
had hired an Indian software firm,
1056
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,600
to DDoS the pirate bay
1057
00:55:56,666 --> 00:56:01,750
and Anonymous, coming out of 4chan,
DDoS'd the motion picture association of America,
1058
00:56:01,888 --> 00:56:04,500
as well as other groups like the
recording industry association.
1059
00:56:06,350 --> 00:56:08,250
It angered people for a lot of different reasons.
1060

00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:10,100
Obviously one of the reasons was that they were
1061
00:56:10,125 --> 00:56:12,150
attempting to censor the Internet.
1062
00:56:12,250 --> 00:56:14,500
Another of the reasons, though, was that
1063
00:56:14,666 --> 00:56:17,000
people in Anonymous had been arrested before for
1064
00:56:17,025 --> 00:56:20,666
taking part in such attacks,
1065
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,250
say on the Church of Scientology
1066
00:56:22,333 --> 00:56:24,050
and other targets that there had been before.
1067
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,250
I think there was a big sense of the hypocrisy.
1068
00:56:26,666 --> 00:56:32,500
This was the moment a kind of network,
a kind of architecture was born where,
1069
00:56:32,666 --> 00:56:35,000
there was a different
node that was unrelated.
1070
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,900
Some people crossed over
1071
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:40,100
and they were connected
by aesthetics and by ethics
1072
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:42,750
and yet that was a different
ship that was sailing.
1073
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:54,333
It's our task, to
find secret abusive plans

1074
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,550
and expose them, where they can be
opposed, before they're implemented.
1075
00:57:00,750 --> 00:57:02,550
The intersting thing about Julian Assange,
1076
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,150
is that he actually also sprang from
1077
00:57:05,888 --> 00:57:07,250
a hacker culture.
1078
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:09,768
It's a mentality of
spreading information.
1079
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,500
Julian was Mendax,
1080
00:57:11,550 --> 00:57:14,000
he was the greatest hacker that
ever walked the face of the earth
1081
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,409
when I was a kid, they rumored
he can move satelites around in space
1082
00:57:17,409 --> 00:57:19,000
by hacking into NASA.
1083
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:21,829
Maybe it never happened but
1084
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:26,100
it was a myth that kept young kids like me
wanting to plug a computer into a modem
1085
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:28,200
and see if I can move some satelites around.
1086
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:31,150
WikiLeaks is an instantiation
of the hacker ethos.
1087
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,510

Truth wants to be free
and we want to liberate it.
1088
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:39,250
WikiLeaks released a huge
trove of diplomatic cables.
1089
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:43,600
There's a lot of controversy
from every quarter of society.
1090
00:57:43,666 --> 00:57:49,289
The WikiLeaks website released nearly 400.000
secret US files on the Iraq war late today,
1091
00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:52,750
it was the largest leak of
classified US files in history.
1092
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:57,250
The diplomatic cables show
the US is spying on it's alies.
1093
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:02,500
Lots of things which were understood in private
and may have been, not even talked about explicitly,
1094
00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:05,000
suddenly they're out there,
in the cold light of day
1095
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,000
and it's going to make some goverments
and some individuals very uncomfortable.
1096
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:12,666
He was showing the world a glimpse of how
1097
00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:14,900
the powerful elite actually work,
1098
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:16,333
at least to some extend, I mean
1099
00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:19,000
these are fairly low level diplomats
1100

00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:20,800
sending messages back and forth
1101
00:58:20,888 --> 00:58:24,000
but it's a side of government you hardly ever see
1102
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:25,990
and it's pretty eye opening and,
1103
00:58:25,999 --> 00:58:27,666
you know, once it's out it's out.
1104
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,290
I think information wants to be free
1105
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:32,600
and let's look at it, let's analyze it.
1106
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:34,888
It's important that we know such stuff,
1107
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:37,600
It's important that we know what our governments do
1108
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:40,666
and if they don't tell us, then somebody has to.
1109
00:58:40,750 --> 00:58:42,500
It's time to open the archives
1110
00:58:42,666 --> 00:58:47,250
There was one particular moment,
that really sparked the fire
1111
00:58:47,333 --> 00:58:52,000
and this was when PayPal,
Mastercard and Amazon,
1112
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:54,333
pulled services for WikiLeaks.
1113
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:56,250
So all of a sudden,
there's no way to actually
1114
00:58:56,333 --> 00:58:58,449

process donations to WikiLeaks.
1115
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:00,333
Then their people went and found like,
1116
00:59:00,350 --> 00:59:05,450
neonazi groups.., Visa and Mastercard
were perfectly fine with you being able to,
1117
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:07,950
PayPal, being able to make donations to them.
1118
00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:10,666
But WikiLeaks, No!
1119
00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:15,888
You can pay the KKK, you can donate
money to the Westboro Baptist church
1120
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:18,599
with your PayPal and your fucking Mastercard,
1121
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:21,888
but you can't give any money to WikiLeaks
1122
00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:24,400
and I think WikiLeaks is doing a good thing.
1123
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:28,650
It's a total hypocrisy that they
got their little fucking banking mafia
1124
00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:30,333
to fuck WikiLeaks over.
1125
00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:33,659
People were incredibly angry
1126
00:59:33,659 --> 00:59:35,333
and it was a real sense of rage.
1127
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:37,000
There was, I think it was a sense that
1128
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:38,840
WikiLeaks was exposing lies that

1129
00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:39,888
the government told to the people
1130
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:41,450
and now the government was desperately trying
1131
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:44,000
to make sure that those lies weren't exposed.
1132
00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:46,750
And then, there was just an intense
1133
00:59:46,777 --> 00:59:48,333
I can only call it fury.
1134
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:51,166
If you're a hacker, it's one of those
'John F. Kennedy was shot' moments.
1135
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,600
Not to actually compare it to that,
1136
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:54,666
but it's one of those
moments you always remember,
1137
00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:56,938
exactly where you were and
when you heard it, I mean,
1138
00:59:56,938 --> 01:00:01,250
I just really never dreamed
they would have the audacity.
1139
01:00:01,333 --> 01:00:04,100
Anonymous very quickly
moves into an attack mode.
1140
01:00:04,350 --> 01:00:07,500
Anonymous DDoS'd PayPal. They were pissed!
1141
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:17,250
Cyber protest, virtual sit-ins, however
you wanna look at it, DDoS is a tool that is,
1142

01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:20,000
it's like driving a finished
nail in with a sledgehammer.
1143
01:00:21,869 --> 01:00:25,888
The numbers of participants were massive.
1144
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,000
And they managed, over the
course of a couple of days,
1145
01:00:32,050 --> 01:00:37,000
to disable the website
of Mastercard and PayPal.
1146
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,750
It was like watching the hack
magician finally get a trick right,
1147
01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:48,500
because you're not expecting it
and then it's magnificent, it was beautiful,
1148
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,750
'cause what you had is,
people finally stood up for something.
1149
01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:00,750
How long has it been since we
had a huge really relevant protest.
1150
01:01:01,150 --> 01:01:06,000
I'm not talking Tea Party, I wanna
bring my guns in public, I'm talking,
1151
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:14,750
I'm talking 10.000 angry people said this
is not right and I wanna do something about it.
1152
01:01:19,333 --> 01:01:23,666
Soon after January 2nd I believe
WikiLeaks was blocked in Tunisia
1153
01:01:26,777 --> 01:01:28,999
and Anonymous got into that.
1154
01:01:29,666 --> 01:01:31,444
They then intervened,

1155
01:01:31,666 --> 01:01:36,333
at first solely for the purposes of like,
stoping the censorship that was happening.
1156
01:01:36,444 --> 01:01:37,888
They did some DDoSing
1157
01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:41,250
and this was a time and period
where they were getting involved,
1158
01:01:41,444 --> 01:01:43,888
with what I would call, non-internetees.
1159
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:47,000
Social movements inbuilding lines of solidarity.
1160
01:01:47,548 --> 01:01:51,888
My name is Pete Fein, you can
call me an internaut or a hacktivist.
1161
01:01:52,222 --> 01:01:56,666
Telecomix is an ad hoc cluster
of volunteer net activists,
1162
01:01:56,888 --> 01:02:00,666
who have spent much of the last year trying
to keep the internet running in the middle east.
1163
01:02:01,888 --> 01:02:05,469
During that time, we saw the
Tunisian government, not only
1164
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:09,444
sensoring and filtering the internet,
but also doing some kind of
1165
01:02:09,666 --> 01:02:12,200
technical trickery to steal
people's facebook passwords
1166
01:02:12,222 --> 01:02:14,666
and delete their posts
and see who is posting what,
1167
01:02:14,888 --> 01:02:16,555

fake posts, stuff like that.
1168
01:02:16,888 --> 01:02:19,777
So Tunisian hackers came to us,
1169
01:02:19,888 --> 01:02:20,888
they were members of Anonymous
1170
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,759
and I didn't even know we had members of
Anonymous in Tunisia, so it was a shock to me
1171
01:02:25,777 --> 01:02:30,858
and they had the keys to
some parts of the kingdom,
1172
01:02:30,888 --> 01:02:33,666
so to speak, when it came
to the dictator in Tunisia.
1173
01:02:33,777 --> 01:02:38,555
We went in, on behalf of those Tunisian Anons
and we helped them get that and extract it
1174
01:02:38,777 --> 01:02:40,888
and then it went to WikiLeaks.
1175
01:02:40,999 --> 01:02:44,222
The Tunisians overthrew Ben Ali,
who was kind of an oppressive dictator.
1176
01:02:44,444 --> 01:02:48,777
A revolution that was
facilitated by the internet,
1177
01:02:48,888 --> 01:02:51,777
by facebook and by twitter.
1178
01:02:51,888 --> 01:02:55,777
Not caused by it, I mean, 50 years of
dictatorship has caused the offspring.
1179
01:02:55,999 --> 01:02:58,489
but the internet has certainly been helping.
1180
01:03:01,489 --> 01:03:05,222
There's a video where they are thanking us for being involved.

1181
01:03:05,888 --> 01:03:07,777
holding up a mask saying
1182
01:03:07,888 --> 01:03:10,444
we were the only ones who stood by their side.
1183
01:03:10,888 --> 01:03:12,555
Thank you Anonymous.
1184
01:03:13,666 --> 01:03:18,222
We want to let you know that you have found new allies...
1185
01:03:18,777 --> 01:03:21,222
For me it was...
1186
01:03:22,222 --> 01:03:25,999
...awesome to hear that, and to feel the connection.
1187
01:03:26,555 --> 01:03:33,444
The same group of hackers, that target anti-WikiLeaks
sites, have now turned their attention, to Egypt.
1188
01:03:35,333 --> 01:03:37,222
It could have been the lead up
to the Egyptian revolution.
1189
01:03:37,333 --> 01:03:38,999
We would tweet on people's behalf.
1190
01:03:39,111 --> 01:03:42,300
We'd get people from Egypt,
who weren't able to access
1191
01:03:42,333 --> 01:03:44,777
twitter on their own, on our IRC network
1192
01:03:44,888 --> 01:03:48,555
and we would trigger ports for them
and tweet them out using our account,
1193
01:03:48,777 --> 01:03:51,555
to help them get the word out,
1194
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,818
about what they were experiencing.

1195
01:03:57,888 --> 01:03:59,555
Some of this shit is personal
1196
01:03:59,666 --> 01:04:03,222
and one of the things,
about the movement as a whole,
1197
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:04,777
when Egypt broke around,
1198
01:04:04,888 --> 01:04:07,999
is that Egypt broke us, emotionally.
1199
01:04:08,444 --> 01:04:12,666
Watching in real time, with
live feeds that we helped set up,
1200
01:04:12,750 --> 01:04:15,333
Egyptians get massacred with machine guns.
1201
01:04:16,888 --> 01:04:20,999
It was different and I have
never in cyber activism wept before,
1202
01:04:21,222 --> 01:04:22,888
it's never bothered me like that,
1203
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:24,999
it's never been able to touch me,
1204
01:04:25,111 --> 01:04:26,777
the way Egypt touched me.
1205
01:04:28,444 --> 01:04:30,628
It was fucked up, that
we were watching people
1206
01:04:30,666 --> 01:04:33,444
killed, for no reason other
than leaving their homes,
1207
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:35,950
that these people had
every right to freedom,
1208

01:04:36,222 --> 01:04:38,777
that they had every right
to choose their government.
1209
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:44,444
..and then January 27th
to 28th rolls around and
1210
01:04:44,555 --> 01:04:47,888
the Egyptian government
starts shutting down
1211
01:04:48,444 --> 01:04:50,999
the internet, for the whole country.
1212
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:53,222
There's this fantastic traffic-graph,
1213
01:04:53,333 --> 01:04:55,333
that you can see the
traffic coming out of Egypt.
1214
01:04:55,444 --> 01:04:57,555
It's like this and then..
1215
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,444
..just totally stops.
1216
01:04:59,999 --> 01:05:02,444
And we're just arrrghh,
what the fuck,
1217
01:05:02,666 --> 01:05:05,888
to think that a country would
completely cut itself off,
1218
01:05:06,444 --> 01:05:08,888
as much as they were able to,
from the outside world.
1219
01:05:08,999 --> 01:05:10,999
It was pretty unthinkable.
1220
01:05:11,777 --> 01:05:15,222
We know bad things go
on in the dark places.
1221

01:05:15,666 --> 01:05:17,555
And suddenly it got quiet.
1222
01:05:18,333 --> 01:05:23,444
I remember it was somehow, burned into my brain that
1223
01:05:23,555 --> 01:05:28,000
first Twitter was flooded and suddenly everything was quiet.
1224
01:05:29,869 --> 01:05:32,999
That's the kinda thing that could start riots.
1225
01:05:34,555 --> 01:05:37,888
I think when Mubarak did what he did,
1226
01:05:38,444 --> 01:05:41,222
I think it really upset people here,
1227
01:05:41,333 --> 01:05:42,900
as well as in the Middle East.
1228
01:05:42,999 --> 01:05:44,999
I put myself in their place
1229
01:05:45,333 --> 01:05:49,555
and I found myself in
a desert of nothingness,
1230
01:05:49,666 --> 01:05:51,849
because he just wiped out everything,
1231
01:05:51,888 --> 01:05:53,999
that my world incorporated.
1232
01:05:54,444 --> 01:05:57,666
That just showed me
and everybody else that,
1233
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:01,700
the same thing can happen at any time,
at any world, at any government.
1234
01:06:01,999 --> 01:06:05,666
Anonymous and the people on the internet,
1235
01:06:05,777 --> 01:06:07,666

stood up and said:
1236
01:06:07,699 --> 01:06:09,222
Go fuck yourself!
1237
01:06:10,555 --> 01:06:12,600
You wanna shut down their internet?
1238
01:06:12,666 --> 01:06:13,888
Fine.
1239
01:06:14,555 --> 01:06:17,555
The people on the internet will
show them how to turn it back on.
1240
01:06:18,333 --> 01:06:21,222
It's almost like the Internet has an actual pain.
1241
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,999
It's like the Internet is a living thing.
1242
01:06:23,050 --> 01:06:24,777
It's like a conscious thing that gets up and says,
1243
01:06:24,888 --> 01:06:26,111
"No, you can't do that!"
1244
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:29,200
A lot of my friends helped with encryption,
1245
01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:31,750
helped people on the ground in those countries
1246
01:06:31,777 --> 01:06:35,222
validate SSL keys and certficates
1247
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:38,999
and really showed them how to subvert their government
1248
01:06:39,222 --> 01:06:41,000
and become free.
1249
01:06:41,333 --> 01:06:43,222
And then Telecomix started to...
1250

01:06:43,333 --> 01:06:46,500
...tweet connections to the Internet, dial-up connections.
1251
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,333
In Egypt the care package we put together
included some kind of our comms information,
1252
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,500
the ham radio, the dial modem, details.
1253
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:59,179
In total we helped co-ordinate
and ran about 500 dial-up modem lines.
1254
01:07:01,333 --> 01:07:02,888
We also googled up
1255
01:07:03,444 --> 01:07:04,777
treatments for tear gas and
1256
01:07:04,888 --> 01:07:06,888
other kind of basic medical treatment
1257
01:07:06,999 --> 01:07:10,888
and found folks who could
translate that into Arabic.
1258
01:07:10,999 --> 01:07:14,555
Sort of, put this together in
a nice one-page .pdf, in a fax
1259
01:07:14,666 --> 01:07:16,000
and off it goes.
1260
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:19,444
I think the most effective thing
was shutting down government websites.
1261
01:07:20,858 --> 01:07:24,111
We were taking down the
dictator's webpages here.
1262
01:07:24,555 --> 01:07:26,222
It is cyber warfare at that point.
1263
01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:29,444
When you're dealing with a dictator like that,

that's killing people, all the gloves are off.
1264
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:31,777
We are going to not just
take your websites offline,
1265
01:07:31,888 --> 01:07:33,999
we are gonna destroy
your every communications.
1266
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:37,500
We are gonna wreck you like,
a nation state would wreck you.
1267
01:07:41,940 --> 01:07:46,800
In Cairo, Egypt, the crowds
are shouting and screaming..
1268
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:01,148
President Hosni Mubarak has decided to step down
from the office of president of the republic.
1269
01:08:06,444 --> 01:08:09,222
When Mubarak left, it was a "Hell Yeah!" moment.
1270
01:08:13,050 --> 01:08:16,999
People can rise up. People can make a change
1271
01:08:17,111 --> 01:08:19,999
and I think for a lot of people in America
1272
01:08:20,111 --> 01:08:23,888
it was the first time they had seen people rise up
1273
01:08:23,999 --> 01:08:25,950
and take down their government and say,
1274
01:08:26,050 --> 01:08:27,333
We're sick of this shit!
1275
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:28,777
We're sick of the oppression.
1276
01:08:28,888 --> 01:08:32,333
We're sick of living as slaves to your power.
1277

01:08:33,498 --> 01:08:37,333
We had Egyptians come thank us, as for
doing this stuff and I said something like,
1278
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,500
look, you guys just get our
back, if stuff goes down here.
1279
01:08:43,888 --> 01:08:47,999
Although it was awesome and it
was one part we were fighting for...
1280
01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:52,777
for me it was quite clear
it's not the end of the story.
1281
01:08:52,888 --> 01:08:59,666
That it's not suddenly changing into
rainbows and nyan cats, or whatever,
1282
01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:02,850
but that we now have to watch even more.
1283
01:09:03,719 --> 01:09:06,448
The FBI is now investigating Anonymous,
1284
01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:09,500
a loose collection of rogue, tech savy hackers,
1285
01:09:09,555 --> 01:09:13,444
credited with bringing down the websites
of Mastercard and Visa last December.
1286
01:09:13,666 --> 01:09:17,333
In, sort of, 40 raids back then, they ceased
computers, cellphones, this kind of technical apparatus,
1287
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:20,444
Sometimes, in the case of a
19 year old girl and her family,
1288
01:09:20,555 --> 01:09:22,500
they took her parents stuff, too.
1289
01:09:23,888 --> 01:09:25,555
There's always been a sort
of cat and mouse dynamic,

1290
01:09:25,666 --> 01:09:28,333
not just in relation
to the feds, but also to
1291
01:09:28,444 --> 01:09:31,333
the sort of groups, that
have appointed themselves as
1292
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,666
guardians of the republic and there's
groups called like, backtrace security,
1293
01:09:34,888 --> 01:09:36,777
which may be a couple
of deranged people who,
1294
01:09:36,888 --> 01:09:41,150
I think for personal reasons have,
grievances against anonymous.
1295
01:09:42,555 --> 01:09:45,444
I've been threatened by people who are
1296
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:46,777
former secret service agents,
1297
01:09:46,850 --> 01:09:49,400
who now run private security companies.
1298
01:09:50,999 --> 01:09:52,999
Suddenly on February 5th,
1299
01:09:53,222 --> 01:09:56,222
a Financial Times article
comes out, that we all see.
1300
01:09:57,999 --> 01:10:01,750
It's quoting this guy named Aaron Barr,
who's the CEO of HBGary Federal,
1301
01:10:01,777 --> 01:10:03,809
which is an intelligence contractor
1302
01:10:03,850 --> 01:10:07,700
and Aaron Barr is telling this
Financial Times journalist Joseph Menn,

1303
01:10:07,777 --> 01:10:12,500
that he's been secretly monitoring the
Anon-Ops server, where all of this is going on
1304
01:10:12,555 --> 01:10:19,777
and has done so for several weeks and using his own,
custom brand of information operations techniques,
1305
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,888
has managed to identify the
alleged leadership of Anonymous,
1306
01:10:23,999 --> 01:10:27,555
including 25 "lieutenants", some sort..
1307
01:10:27,777 --> 01:10:29,999
We have to see this document,
everyone wants to know.
1308
01:10:30,111 --> 01:10:32,666
We don't need to destroy him,
we don't need to destroy his company,
1309
01:10:32,777 --> 01:10:35,444
we just need to see the document
and we'll decide what comes next
1310
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:36,666
after looking at the document.
1311
01:10:36,999 --> 01:10:40,555
So they get it. It was unbelievably
easy to get into their network.
1312
01:10:40,666 --> 01:10:43,079
And my name was on there, as a string name
1313
01:10:43,333 --> 01:10:45,950
and Gregg Housh was listed there by string name.
1314
01:10:46,222 --> 01:10:48,222
The facts that matter is that,
what he told the Financial Times was,
1315
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:50,250
everything he told them, was mostly untrue

1316
01:10:50,333 --> 01:10:51,666
and very much hilariously so.
1317
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,222
He had to be shut up, it had to be proven
to the world, that this guy was a retard
1318
01:10:56,250 --> 01:10:58,340
and that his information was in no way valid.
1319
01:10:58,666 --> 01:11:00,555
..and to put that in hacker terms,
1320
01:11:00,666 --> 01:11:04,444
Anonymous is a hornet's nest and Barr said,
1321
01:11:04,700 --> 01:11:07,444
I'm gonna stick my penis in that thing.
1322
01:11:07,888 --> 01:11:12,555
Into mere 24 hours he was
owned, pawned completely,
1323
01:11:12,666 --> 01:11:15,666
by a small group of participants,
1324
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:19,444
who basically went on a hacking rampage.
1325
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:22,999
Faster than you can say,
"Get these hornets off my penis!",
1326
01:11:23,555 --> 01:11:26,333
Anonymous took down Barr's website,
1327
01:11:26,350 --> 01:11:29,156
stole his e-mails, deleted
the company's back-up data,
1328
01:11:29,222 --> 01:11:33,666
trashed his twitter account
and remotely wiped his i-Pad.
1329
01:11:34,666 --> 01:11:38,888
And he had just reached the

"Ham 'Em High" level in Angry Birds.
1330
01:11:39,555 --> 01:11:42,666
The HBGary hack brought
about 70.000 e-mails.
1331
01:11:43,777 --> 01:11:48,933
By the most, important ones
had to do with a proposal,
1332
01:11:48,999 --> 01:11:55,750
that HBGary had already formulated, it was
packaged up as a nice powerpoint presentation,
1333
01:11:55,777 --> 01:11:59,666
kind of, act as privatise agent provocateaurs,
1334
01:11:59,777 --> 01:12:02,939
where they were gonna discredit WikiLeaks.
1335
01:12:02,999 --> 01:12:08,850
HBGary was proposing submitting fake documents
to WikiLeaks and then, when discovered as fake,
1336
01:12:08,888 --> 01:12:12,111
the hare could be called out
and it would dicredit WikiLeaks.
1337
01:12:12,222 --> 01:12:15,590
Right. So there are a lot
of specifics I can't talk,
1338
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:19,777
but let me try to answer that
though, in a general sense.
1339
01:12:20,777 --> 01:12:25,333
First of all, it's probably no surprise
to anybody, I'm not a big fan of WikiLeaks.
1340
01:12:25,444 --> 01:12:32,000
I think that the broad purpose of
trying to get as much information,
1341
01:12:32,111 --> 01:12:35,748
proprietary or classified information
from the government, expose that,

1342
01:12:35,777 --> 01:12:37,999
is an extremely destructive
and dangerous purpose.
1343
01:12:38,999 --> 01:12:42,666
As Julian Assange, had a few
months before noted, that they
1344
01:12:42,758 --> 01:12:46,999
had information on a major bank,
showing wrong-doing and Bank of America,
1345
01:12:47,444 --> 01:12:49,333
somehow knew it was them.
1346
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:54,555
And the proposals involved, for Bank of America
and the WikiLeaks problem, they entailed
1347
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,800
conducting information war on
WikiLeaks and it's supporters,
1348
01:12:57,888 --> 01:12:59,666
claiming to sensor them,
within WikiLeaks.
1349
01:13:01,111 --> 01:13:02,000
DDoS attacks.
1350
01:13:03,529 --> 01:13:06,700
You also wanted to launch cyber attacks
on WikiLeaks' infrastructure, to get
1351
01:13:06,777 --> 01:13:08,999
information on document submitters.
1352
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,888
One thing I guess, I wanna
make sure is clear is,
1353
01:13:14,999 --> 01:13:17,555
none of these activities
had actually occurred.
1354
01:13:17,888 --> 01:13:20,666
In buisiness there's a..,

1355
01:13:20,777 --> 01:13:23,999
when you start proposing
or thinking about an idea,
1356
01:13:23,222 --> 01:13:25,555
there's a brainstorming phase
1357
01:13:25,666 --> 01:13:28,888
and somebody says, "what if..," you know,
"what could we do, what's theoretically possible?"
1358
01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:33,800
Still this was an idea, this was proposed,
this was something that you thought about.
1359
01:13:33,888 --> 01:13:34,999
Right.
1360
01:13:36,988 --> 01:13:41,555
They also wanted to go on a
campaign targeting Glenn Greenwald,
1361
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,888
who is a reporter for Salon,
1362
01:13:43,950 --> 01:13:47,999
who's an outspoken critic of the
government and supporter of WikiLeaks.
1363
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,999
It seems like you're trying
to attack a journalist here.
1364
01:13:52,555 --> 01:13:57,222
Yeah, you know, I don't wanna talk
too much more about Glenn Greenwald,
1365
01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,333
other than what I previously said.
1366
01:13:59,888 --> 01:14:02,555
There was never
an intent to attack
1367
01:14:03,444 --> 01:14:06,555
journalists, not on my part.

1368
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:12,777
I guess I should generalise that
to say that, you know, I would never
1369
01:14:12,888 --> 01:14:16,309
just outwardly attack a journalist,
other than, if I felt that there was
1370
01:14:16,555 --> 01:14:20,698
a journalist in my mind,
that was acting unethically.
1371
01:14:28,999 --> 01:14:34,888
That's a fair game for having
a public discussion about.
1372
01:14:35,222 --> 01:14:37,999
They were walking a very
fine ethical line at points
1373
01:14:38,208 --> 01:14:43,889
and in many cases, the mass
opinion is: No, they're well past it.
1374
01:14:44,777 --> 01:14:47,666
I will not support broad theft of
1375
01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:50,888
information released to the public,
'cause that is nothing but destructive.
1376
01:14:51,222 --> 01:14:54,888
If somebody has, information
has been stolen from them,
1377
01:14:55,800 --> 01:15:01,666
whether or not WikiLeaks encouraged the theft
of that, or it was just put in their lap,
1378
01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:05,666
still, they're threatening to
release the information that was
1379
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:07,950
the private property
of another organization,

1380
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:13,918
so your choices are, to
just allow that to happen,
1381
01:15:13,918 --> 01:15:15,229
or to try and stop it.
1382
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,444
How offensive is too offensive?
1383
01:15:19,555 --> 01:15:21,888
We've certainly seen a lot
of strategy, coming out of
1384
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:24,777
governments across
the world now saying,
1385
01:15:24,999 --> 01:15:27,111
publically admitting that,
they need to become,
1386
01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:29,666
they need to develop
better offensive strategies
1387
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:34,999
in cyber security, because
defense as a whole, isn't enough.
1388
01:15:35,222 --> 01:15:36,666
It never is enough.
1389
01:15:38,666 --> 01:15:42,777
Some of the most important things, that
have had the most far-reaching influence
1390
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,777
and have been the most important, in terms of
what's been dicovered, not just by Anonymous,
1391
01:15:45,888 --> 01:15:47,777
but by the media, and the aftermath,
1392
01:15:47,888 --> 01:15:48,999
is a result of hacking.

1393
01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:52,555
That information can't be obtained
by institutionalist journalistic process
1394
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,970
or can't be obtained, or won't be
obtained, by a congressional committee,
1395
01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:57,999
or a federal oversight committee.
1396
01:15:58,777 --> 01:16:02,500
For the most part, that information
has to be obtained by hackers.
1397
01:16:02,750 --> 01:16:07,999
After this had happened, although only
a small number of people had participated,
1398
01:16:08,333 --> 01:16:11,750
the collective mood was
exuberance, within Anonymous.
1399
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:17,850
It was a moment of the lulz being recharged,
which people were excited about,
1400
01:16:17,888 --> 01:16:24,777
'cause people felt like, the lulz had been
running low, during the middle eastern protest
1401
01:16:25,777 --> 01:16:27,999
and so it was a moment
of great triumphalism,
1402
01:16:28,444 --> 01:16:30,222
within Anonymous.
1403
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,999
#OpSony
1404
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:37,700
Anonymous is currently
targeting Sony's website.
1405
01:16:37,777 --> 01:16:42,222
We are doing this, because Sony is

currently suing people for making features,
1406
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:45,777
the Playstation originally
had available to the public.
1407
01:16:48,444 --> 01:16:51,300
It started off as a
denial of service attacks,
1408
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:54,150
but then someone really broke
into the playstation network
1409
01:16:54,222 --> 01:16:59,000
and stole all the user accounts
and all the credit card information.
1410
01:16:59,222 --> 01:17:02,111
Sony has confirmed that hackers
broke into it's playstation network,
1411
01:17:02,150 --> 01:17:06,444
exposing the personal information
of up to 77 million users worldwide.
1412
01:17:06,555 --> 01:17:09,666
Anonymous basically bent Sony
over and had their way with them
1413
01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:12,600
and the consumers were the ones,
that also got hurt in the process.
1414
01:17:12,666 --> 01:17:15,333
2 months, of people not being
able to use their playstations.
1415
01:17:15,444 --> 01:17:19,500
That, actually had real,
hard-core, end-user impact.
1416
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:22,777
If they break into a site and
they pull back customer information,
1417
01:17:22,888 --> 01:17:25,999
do they really need to disclose

a hundred thousand customers?
1418
01:17:26,111 --> 01:17:29,444
No. What they're doing,
could be done a lot better.
1419
01:17:29,719 --> 01:17:31,444
When I say, better, I mean,
1420
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:34,750
better for the end-user,
for the customers,
1421
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,555
while still making a point.
1422
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,777
And then, seemingly out of the blue,
1423
01:17:40,888 --> 01:17:43,300
there was something
by the name, LulzSec,
1424
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:44,555
that sailed into the seas.
1425
01:17:46,999 --> 01:17:50,600
LulzSec is a sort of
group, a couple of people,
1426
01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:52,555
mostly from Anonymous,
1427
01:17:53,222 --> 01:17:55,888
large part of the same
people who hacked HBGary.
1428
01:17:56,554 --> 01:17:58,950
They decided to form
this little group and
1429
01:17:58,999 --> 01:18:04,555
just carry on operations, but outside
the purview of Anonymous, for a while.
1430
01:18:04,750 --> 01:18:05,950
They hacked whatever they wanted.

1431
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,750
They released whatever they wanted.
1432
01:18:07,888 --> 01:18:09,750
It's almost like they had no rules.
1433
01:18:09,888 --> 01:18:12,999
They just said, "This is what we're gonna do,
1434
01:18:13,150 --> 01:18:14,400
we're gonna stir up the cart.
1435
01:18:14,444 --> 01:18:15,800
We're gonna make some trouble.
1436
01:18:15,850 --> 01:18:16,999
We're gonna make some waves."
1437
01:18:17,111 --> 01:18:18,250
And they did.
1438
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:22,222
What they did was,
they put on a play.
1439
01:18:22,250 --> 01:18:25,859
Not high arts,
not low-brow either.
1440
01:18:25,888 --> 01:18:29,111
It wasn't particularly,
let's just say, grotesque.
1441
01:18:30,555 --> 01:18:37,999
Their symbol, was a kind of cartoon character
of the monopoly man, with the monocle and a cigarette.
1442
01:18:38,666 --> 01:18:44,999
There was a lot of iconography of boats and
ships, pirate motifs and then of course a cat.
1443
01:18:45,888 --> 01:18:47,950
Chaos and mayhem right now...
1444
01:18:47,999 --> 01:18:50,700

it's probably one of the right things to do.
1445
01:18:51,250 --> 01:18:54,750
Some of the things LulzSec did, in a
quarter of public opinion, were less noble.
1446
01:18:54,777 --> 01:18:57,888
Private citizens were being dox'd or,
1447
01:18:58,222 --> 01:19:00,111
your credit cards numbers
could have been redacted.
1448
01:19:00,222 --> 01:19:05,999
You can still make your point, without
actually giving up people's personal details.
1449
01:19:06,111 --> 01:19:11,250
So the quarter public opinions,
swayed, that LulzSec had crosed lines,
1450
01:19:11,300 --> 01:19:14,399
that, maybe, the previous
manifestation had not.
1451
01:19:17,666 --> 01:19:20,666
Collateral damage, such as the release of dox
1452
01:19:20,700 --> 01:19:22,800
and people's personal information who are
1453
01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:26,666
just caught in the crossfire of an Anonymous confrontation
1454
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:29,555
is something that a lot of Anons don't really support.
1455
01:19:29,777 --> 01:19:32,999
There's a lot of
in-fighting about it because,
1456
01:19:34,555 --> 01:19:37,333
their way, wasn't really our way.
1457
01:19:37,444 --> 01:19:39,111
We will not attack the media.

1458
01:19:39,666 --> 01:19:43,666
PBS's Frontline, runs a documentary,
1459
01:19:44,333 --> 01:19:46,999
mainly focused on Bradley Manning,
1460
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,555
the alleged leaker to WikiLeaks.
1461
01:19:49,666 --> 01:19:52,222
And as for all of Bradley Manning's
supporters, they didn't like it.
1462
01:19:52,333 --> 01:19:55,988
They thought it was a
little too psychologising.
1463
01:19:55,988 --> 01:20:00,222
It was like looking a little bit
more at his personal life, than at
1464
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:03,111
why it is, you leaked the documents
and what the documents actually meant.
1465
01:20:03,333 --> 01:20:09,555
They hacked a website, putting a
story that Tupac and Biggie had escaped
1466
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:15,444
the world of celebrity fame and attention and
retired quietly and discreetly in New Zealand.
1467
01:20:16,888 --> 01:20:18,777
LulzSec, when they attacked PBS,
1468
01:20:19,555 --> 01:20:21,222
that gave me the creeps, you know?
1469
01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:24,111
As a journalist, I'm not too thrilled
1470
01:20:24,222 --> 01:20:28,222
with the idea of someone judging:
we don't like you to write that,
1471

01:20:28,444 --> 01:20:31,999
we don't like your reporting,
so, we're gonna shut down your website.
1472
01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:35,729
I'm uncomfortable with that. It could
be me and I could be writting something
1473
01:20:35,777 --> 01:20:38,000
about a group, that they didn't like.
1474
01:20:39,555 --> 01:20:43,888
I'm happy to sit and talk
with them about it but,
1475
01:20:43,999 --> 01:20:45,400
don't shut my website down.
1476
01:20:45,888 --> 01:20:47,400
This is obviously about freedom of speech
1477
01:20:47,444 --> 01:20:51,444
so attacking the press would be...
1478
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:54,777
would sort of be a bit of a contradiction.
1479
01:20:54,999 --> 01:20:57,888
So people have said, well, we shouldn't do that
1480
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,555
and obviously LulzSec had a completely different agenda
1481
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,000
so they had no problem with it.
1482
01:21:02,111 --> 01:21:04,600
7~12 May, 2011: Fox Network
"X-Factor" contestant database hacked.
1483
01:21:04,666 --> 01:21:06,888
They sort of saw themselves, as going out there,
1484
01:21:06,999 --> 01:21:10,868
breaking into, like, anything and everything,
1485

01:21:10,888 --> 01:21:14,888
governments, corporations, police departments.
1486
01:21:16,099 --> 01:21:19,800
Largely for the same
reasons Anonymous would.
1487
01:21:19,850 --> 01:21:25,555
They went after Arizona
for immigration policy.
1488
01:21:25,888 --> 01:21:30,555
A 50-day run, causing mayhem, havoc..
1489
01:21:30,999 --> 01:21:32,999
..and then ended it.
1490
01:21:33,666 --> 01:21:37,658
The computer hacking group Lulz-Security,
has announced it's disbanding,
1491
01:21:37,666 --> 01:21:42,111
saying, it's had achieved it's mission, to
disrupt governments and corporate organizations,
1492
01:21:42,222 --> 01:21:43,150
for fun..
1493
01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:45,777
I call this whole thing,
"the rise of the chaotic actor".
1494
01:21:45,888 --> 01:21:47,900
It's not like the first
time we had hacktivism,
1495
01:21:47,999 --> 01:21:50,888
but we're definitely seeing,
like a renaissance in it
1496
01:21:50,999 --> 01:21:54,888
and chaotic, could be
chaotic good, neutral or evil,
1497
01:21:54,999 --> 01:21:57,250
if you go back to deal with
Dungeons and Dragons terms

1498
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:01,888
and some people see Anon Ops, initially and
they'll stick with Anonymous as chaotic good.
1499
01:22:01,999 --> 01:22:05,888
They saw operation payback or
they saw attacking scientology
1500
01:22:05,999 --> 01:22:07,770
and they say that's good,
it's like Robin Hood, right?
1501
01:22:07,888 --> 01:22:10,888
Chaotic good, outside the system,
but doing something good.
1502
01:22:10,999 --> 01:22:13,999
Other people, saw Anon as
chaotic evil, like the Joker,
1503
01:22:14,111 --> 01:22:17,999
that just wanna see the world burn
and potentially doing irreparable damage
1504
01:22:18,168 --> 01:22:21,333
and the truth is, yes, it's
the entire column of chaotic.
1505
01:22:26,777 --> 01:22:28,666
The Anonymous 16
1506
01:22:28,999 --> 01:22:31,000
16 people were arrested today.
1507
01:22:31,250 --> 01:22:35,750
Dozens of FBI agents targeted alleged
members of a loose-knit hacking group.
1508
01:22:35,888 --> 01:22:41,149
Armed with search warrants, agents hit 6 homes
in New York alone, with locations across the country.
1509
01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:44,950
The people arrested yesterday, were
suspected of attacking PayPal's website,
1510
01:22:44,999 --> 01:22:47,777

after the company shut
off payments to WikiLeaks.
1511
01:22:47,888 --> 01:22:51,750
Defenders of the hackers say,
they merely engaged in civil protest,
1512
01:22:51,777 --> 01:22:57,400
but FBI officials worry, the disruptive cyber
attacks, could move in a more dangerous direction.
1513
01:22:57,555 --> 01:23:00,800
So the FBI shows up at 6 in the
morning and it was really abnoxious
1514
01:23:00,888 --> 01:23:04,750
and I remember being
frustrated and angry because,
1515
01:23:04,888 --> 01:23:09,444
there was nothing, that I had done, that
would've justified an FBI search warrant.
1516
01:23:09,666 --> 01:23:14,888
They came, and guns blazing
at us and all that stuff,
1517
01:23:14,999 --> 01:23:19,333
bashing down the door, and they
just dropped me down the floor, 180..
1518
01:23:19,666 --> 01:23:20,999
I weren't trying to fight nobody.
1519
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:27,279
The theory of the case is they were, you know,
they flooded, "a number of people flooded
1520
01:23:27,333 --> 01:23:33,777
access to PayPal, thereby creating economic
distress to a protected corporation", end of story.
1521
01:23:33,888 --> 01:23:45,750
This is not a case involving identity theft, outing e-mails,
violating privilege, theft of services, shutting down business.
1522
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:50,888
It is a pure case of

internet or cyber sit-ins.
1523
01:23:50,999 --> 01:23:54,222
I think when Barack Obama
gets on television and says,
1524
01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:57,777
flood the switchboard, shutdown
the Republicans, send a message.
1525
01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:03,333
That's legal and even if you accept what the
theory of this prosecution is, it's no different.
1526
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:07,000
This is an electronic
sit-in, at it's finest.
1527
01:24:07,555 --> 01:24:09,838
If you're a pedophile,
the average is 11 years,
1528
01:24:09,888 --> 01:24:12,888
if you're a computer
hacker, the average is 15.
1529
01:24:13,150 --> 01:24:14,999
I think that's ridiculous.
1530
01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:24,359
That's ridiculous, I mean you can go
molest children and get less of a sentence
1531
01:24:24,444 --> 01:24:29,222
than you would, for breaking
into someone's phone.
1532
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:32,888
Even if you accept, what the
government is saying is true,
1533
01:24:32,999 --> 01:24:37,600
what is important, is that people
are participating in the process.
1534
01:24:37,666 --> 01:24:39,989
It is, very much, the process.

1535
01:24:40,999 --> 01:24:43,750
It is sitting-in, in a
counter in Selma, Alabama.
1536
01:24:43,888 --> 01:24:49,750
500 freedom riders, refusing to allow people
to go and sit-in at a segregated lunch counter.
1537
01:24:49,888 --> 01:24:51,888
They write books about that stuff.
1538
01:24:51,999 --> 01:24:55,333
It is demonstrating in a street
corner, saying, 'no more war'.
1539
01:24:56,555 --> 01:24:58,444
It's just a different vehicle.
1540
01:24:58,555 --> 01:25:00,000
It's the same results.
1541
01:25:01,444 --> 01:25:03,777
For 9 months I ran
from my indictment,
1542
01:25:03,850 --> 01:25:06,888
but they busted me, I went
to jail, I bond it out
1543
01:25:06,999 --> 01:25:09,900
and then I held a news
conference because,
1544
01:25:09,999 --> 01:25:12,668
as risky as that was and
against my lawyer's advice,
1545
01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:14,888
I wanted the world, to know some
fucking things, about what's going on.
1546
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:17,666
I didn't want the feds to have
the only voice in the dialog.
1547
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:19,999
This document alleges,

1548
01:25:20,222 --> 01:25:25,444
that, I'm the notorious hacker activist,
known to the world, as Commander-X.
1549
01:25:27,666 --> 01:25:30,600
I am, Commander-X.
1550
01:25:33,666 --> 01:25:37,668
The indictment further alleges,
that I'm in association with the
1551
01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:41,555
global internet freedom movement,
known as Anonymous.
1552
01:25:44,666 --> 01:25:45,999
I say yes,
1553
01:25:46,555 --> 01:25:52,222
I am immensely proud
and humbled to the core,
1554
01:25:52,444 --> 01:25:54,999
to be a part of the
idea called, Anonymous.
1555
01:25:55,950 --> 01:25:59,222
I would never compare myself to people
like Ghandi or Dr. Martin Luther King,
1556
01:25:59,333 --> 01:26:02,999
but they were one person and they were
willing to go out and change the world
1557
01:26:03,888 --> 01:26:07,700
and their messages live on
every day, through everybody
1558
01:26:07,777 --> 01:26:11,999
and to not take the chance of having
something like that to do, is foolish.
1559
01:26:12,150 --> 01:26:16,222
I only wish we had,
50 million Mercedes Haefer.
1560

01:26:16,333 --> 01:26:20,666
I'd feel a lot more comfortable as a guy,
gettings towards the tail end of his career,
1561
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:22,333
if there were more Mercedes.
1562
01:26:22,444 --> 01:26:24,444
There's always gonna
be legal consequences,
1563
01:26:24,555 --> 01:26:26,444
when you decide
to break the law.
1564
01:26:26,555 --> 01:26:28,555
That comes with the territory
1565
01:26:29,333 --> 01:26:31,750
and it would be naive,
not to expect that.
1566
01:26:31,777 --> 01:26:38,888
The question is, whether the punishment
will be proportional to the crime
1567
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:41,250
and I suspect, it might not be.
1568
01:26:41,333 --> 01:26:45,999
People will be watching very closely,
to see how these cases proceed.
1569
01:26:46,700 --> 01:26:51,888
On what grounds and whether there's
any room during the trials to think,
1570
01:26:51,999 --> 01:26:58,333
especially of the denial of service attacks,
as a legitimate form of protest.
1571
01:26:58,666 --> 01:27:04,000
So much of our lives are now configured,
at least in part, on the internet, so we better
1572
01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:10,555
start thinking about, how we claim parts of the
internet as spaces, that we can also protest in.

1573
01:27:10,750 --> 01:27:14,999
This is the point
in history, at which
1574
01:27:16,666 --> 01:27:20,444
you decide, whether or not
protesting is possible online.
1575
01:27:20,555 --> 01:27:24,828
You can stand up and you can say,
freedom of speech extends to online.
1576
01:27:24,888 --> 01:27:28,850
We've got the right, not to be monitored
by our government, because of our opinions.
1577
01:27:28,888 --> 01:27:30,666
It's up to you.
1578
01:27:31,779 --> 01:27:35,708
You're in the position of Huck Finn.
Do you remember Huck Finn at the end of the book?
1579
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:39,000
He's told he's got to take
that slave and give it back.
1580
01:27:39,111 --> 01:27:40,500
2 things will happen if he doesn't:
1581
01:27:40,555 --> 01:27:43,999
1. Legally, he'll go to
jail, as Jim is property.
1582
01:27:44,111 --> 01:27:49,999
2. He'll be damned eternally and burn in hellfire,
'cause he's in the evangelical enviroment of Missouri
1583
01:27:50,250 --> 01:27:53,555
and so Huck smokes his corn cob
pipe all night, thinks about it
1584
01:27:53,666 --> 01:27:57,000
and the next morning he says,
well damn it, I'll go to hell then.
1585

01:27:57,500 --> 01:28:01,960
In other words, he discovered that
in order to be an expert at ethics,
1586
01:28:01,999 --> 01:28:08,555
you had to transcend the legal and sanctioned
religious, appropriate truths of the day,
1587
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,888
in order to access the meta-truth,
of both legality and righteousness.
1588
01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:18,500
Well, hackers see themselves as Huck,
putting down their corn cob pipe and say:
1589
01:28:18,555 --> 01:28:20,666
Alright I'll go to jail,
alright I'll go to hell,
1590
01:28:20,850 --> 01:28:22,666
but I'm gonna do the right thing.
1591
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:25,333
I suppose the question
you really wanna ask is,
1592
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,750
would I do it again?
1593
01:28:28,444 --> 01:28:30,888
And honestly, after thinking about it,
1594
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:36,999
I felt that, I did what was right.
I had a belief, I still do,
1595
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:42,750
that what I did was the right thing and
hopefully someone got some good out of it.
1596
01:28:42,777 --> 01:28:46,666
I'd love to think, that maybe I
stopped someone from joining a cult.
1597
01:28:47,555 --> 01:28:50,444
Probably wouldn't tell
on myself next time but,

1598
01:28:50,555 --> 01:28:53,639
I don't think I would have
changed a single thing, other than
1599
01:28:53,666 --> 01:28:55,888
the whole talking to the FBI thing.
1600
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,888
It's just that little detail,
that changed everything.
1601
01:29:01,333 --> 01:29:03,000
I'm angry,
1602
01:29:06,666 --> 01:29:09,999
occasionally I have
small break-down moments,
1603
01:29:11,300 --> 01:29:13,000
of terror,
1604
01:29:14,555 --> 01:29:17,444
but I haven't stopped
believing what I believed,
1605
01:29:17,555 --> 01:29:22,555
I haven't stopped wanting to
fight, I haven't stopped caring.
1606
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,999
I don't think this whole issue
is a technical hacking thing.
1607
01:29:41,111 --> 01:29:44,750
This is more about human
philosophy and psychology.
1608
01:29:44,777 --> 01:29:51,000
Let's motivate and ask, why is there so
much unrest or disenfranchisement or anger,
1609
01:29:51,222 --> 01:29:54,600
that would lead people to want to take
matters in their own hands and join this.
1610
01:29:54,666 --> 01:29:58,333

Whether you think it's bad or not,
is irrelevant, it's not going away.
1611
01:29:58,888 --> 01:30:01,555
I have stood upon the
mountain top known as Anonymous
1612
01:30:01,750 --> 01:30:05,444
and looked down on a world
inflamed with revolution.
1613
01:30:09,948 --> 01:30:12,988
What can you say, your spine tingles
when you are at the course of history
1614
01:30:12,999 --> 01:30:17,555
when you're surfing the waves
of history, your spine tingles.
1615
01:30:19,979 --> 01:30:23,500
There's a lot of people in Anonymous who feel
1616
01:30:23,555 --> 01:30:26,950
very deeply and very sincerely about
1617
01:30:26,999 --> 01:30:31,777
their contribution towards democracy around the world.
1618
01:30:33,999 --> 01:30:36,333
And I think that's one of the main things that
1619
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:38,999
I'm most proud of about Anonymous.
1620
01:30:39,111 --> 01:30:40,777
There are things that I'm not proud of about Anonymous
1621
01:30:40,888 --> 01:30:44,630
but that we stand against censorship
1622
01:30:44,666 --> 01:30:47,350
and we stand against oppressive governments,
1623
01:30:47,444 --> 01:30:49,150
even our own,
1624

01:30:49,222 --> 01:30:50,666
is a very noble thing.
1625
01:30:52,666 --> 01:30:56,666
If you had power in real life
and you had money in real life,
1626
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:59,222
it doesn't fucking
matter on the internet.
1627
01:30:59,350 --> 01:31:02,750
What matters on the internet
is your actual ideas,
1628
01:31:02,888 --> 01:31:06,888
how smart you are,
the quality of you
1629
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:12,555
and when certain organizations want to
extend their real life power onto the internet,
1630
01:31:12,666 --> 01:31:15,555
it's not gonna fucking
take, because of Anonymous.
1631
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:22,400
History teaches us that change,
simply doesn't come with flowers.
1632
01:31:22,430 --> 01:31:23,710
It dosn't work.
1633
01:31:25,777 --> 01:31:28,888
If the say I'm a criminal, then...
1634
01:31:29,333 --> 01:31:30,170
...well...
1635
01:31:30,850 --> 01:31:32,150
...then I will be one.
1636
01:31:33,888 --> 01:31:36,333
Anonymous is an evolving thing.
1637
01:31:36,555 --> 01:31:38,000

It's like a phoenix.
1638
01:31:38,111 --> 01:31:40,266
It might occasionally catch fire and burn to the ground
1639
01:31:40,300 --> 01:31:42,139
but it'll be reborn from ashes.
1640
01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:44,150
It'll be reborn stronger.
1641
01:31:52,777 --> 01:31:55,600
I don't care if you are
a democrat or a republican,
1642
01:31:55,700 --> 01:32:02,777
or an independant, or if you like Ron Paul,
or if you worship pidgeons or scientology,
1643
01:32:02,888 --> 01:32:06,999
or if you're catholic,
or atheist, or methodist..
1644
01:32:07,222 --> 01:32:09,250
I don't care about that.
1645
01:32:09,333 --> 01:32:10,999
Your opinion matters.
1646
01:32:11,333 --> 01:32:13,250
I don't care if I disagree with it.
1647
01:32:13,333 --> 01:32:14,888
I don't care if I hate your guts.
1648
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,000
Your opinion matters.
1649
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:24,050
We are Legion
The Story of the Hacktivists
1650
01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:35,050
Subtitles by Mammad
1651
01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:30,050

1652
01:32:30,050 --> 01:32:30,050
1653
01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:30,050
1654
01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:30,050
1655
01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:30,050