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Transcript of Statements
March 04, 2015
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· · · · · IN RE PALMETTO PIPELINE

· · · · · TRANSCRIPT OF STATEMENTS
· · · · ·March 4, 2015 - 5:05 p.m.
· · · · Doubletree Savannah Airport
· · · · · 50 Yvette J. Hagins Way
· · · · · · ·Savannah, Georgia
· · ·Deborah K. Lingonis, RPR, CCR 2883
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·1· ·APPEARANCES:
·2· ·On behalf of Kinder Morgan:
·3· · · · · · ·ANDREW MUTTER, ESQ.
·4· · · · · · ·King & Spalding
·5· · · · · · ·1180 Peachtree Street, N.E.
·6· · · · · · ·Atlanta, Georgia 30309
·7· · · · · · ·404.572.4705
·8· · · · · · ·[email protected]
·9· ·On behalf of Kinder Morgan:
10· · · · · · ·ALLEN FORE
11· · · · · · ·Vice President, Public Affairs
12· · · · · · ·Kinder Morgan
13· · · · · · ·3250 Lacey Road, Suite 700
14· · · · · · ·Downers Grove, Illinois 60515
15· · · · · · ·630.725.3044
16· · · · · · ·[email protected]
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18· · · · · · ·BRIAN S. WILLIAMS, P.E.
19· · · · · · ·Director - Engineering
20· · · · · · ·Kinder Morgan
21· · · · · · ·1000 Windward Concourse, Suite 450
22· · · · · · ·Alpharetta, Georgia 30005
23· · · · · · ·770.751.4248
24· · · · · · ·[email protected]
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·1· · · · · · ·SWAIN M. GUZZARDI
·2· · · · · · ·Senior Agent II - Land & ROW
·3· · · · · · ·Kinder Morgan
·4· · · · · · ·1000 Windward Concourse, Suite 450
·5· · · · · · ·Alpharetta, Georgia 30005
·6· · · · · · ·770.751.4248
·7· · · · · · ·[email protected]
·8· ·On behalf of Georgia Department of Transportation:
·9· · · · · · ·MICHAEL BOLDEN
10· · · · · · ·Georgia Department of Transportation
11· · · · · · ·600 West Peachtree Street, N.W.
12· · · · · · ·10th Floor
13· · · · · · ·Atlanta, Georgia 30308
14· · · · · · ·404.631.1354
15· · · · · · ·[email protected]
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·1· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· All right.· Well, good evening to
·2· ·you all.· Thank you for coming out.· My name is Andrew
·3· ·Mutter.· I am with King and Spalding that is
·4· ·representing Kinder Morgan.
·5· · · · · · The purpose of this meeting is for Kinder
·6· ·Morgan to come before you and give you some basic
·7· ·information about the project and also for you to have
·8· ·a chance to publicly make a comment or objection.
·9· ·There is a court reporter here that will be taking down
10· ·your information.
11· · · · · · We ask that if you do have a comment, you'll
12· ·come up, you'll state your name, we'll ask you to spell
13· ·your name as well and give your address.· That way we
14· ·can contact you for further follow-up and then give
15· ·your comment.
16· · · · · · So Kinder Morgan is going to present first and
17· ·give you a presentation explaining the basic contours
18· ·of the project and then we will open up for formal
19· ·comment.
20· · · · · · You have three different ways to make a
21· ·comment or objection.· You can fill out the form
22· ·outside, the sign-in form that's out in the lobby.· You
23· ·can write a letter directly to our firm, King and
24· ·Spalding.· The information is published in the notice
25· ·or you can make your comment publicly here.
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·1· · · · · · So you have all those opportunities available
·2· ·to you.· You can make a comment at any of the five
·3· ·hearings that we have scheduled and, again, you can
·4· ·always write in.
·5· · · · · · Also, Kinder Morgan after -- We're going to
·6· ·try to wrap up at 6:00 o'clock.· Kinder Morgan will
·7· ·stay afterwards.· And if you have any direct questions,
·8· ·you can come up and ask in a more informal setting any
·9· ·questions that you have and they'll try to answer them.
10· · · · · · So without anything further I'm going to hand
11· ·it over to Kinder Morgan.
12· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Thank you.· Appreciate you coming
13· ·out tonight.· I'm Allen Fore, Vice President, Public
14· ·Affairs with Kinder Morgan.· Also with us tonight is
15· ·Brian Williams, our project manager, and Swain Guzzardi
16· ·from our land department.
17· · · · · · So as was just indicated, what we're here
18· ·tonight to do is to give an overview introduction of
19· ·our proposed project, what our company does and what
20· ·our plans are.
21· · · · · · This we know is the beginning of a lengthy
22· ·process of review and permitting of our project, but we
23· ·want to tonight answer some high level questions and
24· ·hear your initial reactions and begin a dialogue that
25· ·will be with landowners, with elected officials, with
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·1· ·other stakeholders.
·2· · · · · · I know there are those who have opinions on
·3· ·both sides of pipeline projects and infrastructure
·4· ·projects.· We're well aware of that and it's on the
·5· ·company, on us, to explain what we're doing and why
·6· ·we're proposing this project for the State of Georgia
·7· ·and also South Carolina and Florida.
·8· · · · · · So a couple of minutes on our company and I'll
·9· ·turn it over to Brian to talk specifically about our
10· ·project.· We are in the transportation business so we
11· ·transport product from one place to another primarily
12· ·through pipelines.
13· · · · · · We transport natural gas.· We transport
14· ·refined products such as gasoline, diesel and jet fuel,
15· ·we transport CO2 and other products.· So we're not in
16· ·the business of owning or selling the product
17· ·generally.· We're just in the business of transporting.
18· · · · · · And this map represents our system in over 45
19· ·states across the country where we currently transport
20· ·extensively product from various shale plays and other
21· ·areas where energy sources are to where they're needed.
22· · · · · · And we're all customer based.· We build our
23· ·projects and operate our projects solely based on
24· ·shippers who want to ship project from Point A to
25· ·Point B that ultimately goes to homes and businesses.
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·1· · · · · · We're going to be talking today about our
·2· ·Plantation pipeline system, and this is a map of our
·3· ·Plantation system that serves the southeast and eastern
·4· ·United States.
·5· · · · · · If you go back to our major system, you can
·6· ·see in blue on the lower right-hand corner of the
·7· ·Plantation system which here is in black, and this is
·8· ·gasoline, diesel and jet fuel providing a major source
·9· ·of those products for Georgia, Alabama, all the way up
10· ·to Washington, D.C., Reagan National Airport,
11· ·Hartsfield and others, military bases along the way and
12· ·gasoline for gas stations that everyone uses.
13· · · · · · So that's what this system is.· It's a major
14· ·transportation system getting this product, gasoline,
15· ·diesel and jet fuel, to the end users along the line
16· ·which ultimately will transport them to homes and
17· ·businesses.
18· · · · · · So what we're talking about on our project is
19· ·really an expansion of the Plantation system
20· ·transporting product.· You can see it here vaguely on
21· ·this yellow line from Belton, hooking up with our
22· ·current system in Belton, South Carolina, ultimately
23· ·terminating in Jacksonville, Florida, with some
24· ·activities here in the Savannah area.
25· · · · · · We have had an extensive presence here in
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·1· ·Chatham County for many years.· Some of you are
·2· ·probably familiar with our Alba Island Project, our LNG
·3· ·facility.· We've been working on that for several
·4· ·years, and that's in the early stages of the permitting
·5· ·process as well.· That project continues.
·6· · · · · · Totally separate from that, that is a natural
·7· ·gas project, this is a refined products project.· But
·8· ·we have worked closely with Chatham County and the City
·9· ·of Savannah over the past several years so we're very
10· ·familiar with the area.
11· · · · · · Georgia is also one of the bigger states we
12· ·operate.· You can see the employees on the miles of
13· ·pipe, about 3,000 miles of pipe we currently operate in
14· ·the State of Georgia in 85 counties through the state.
15· ·So a lot of activity, a lot of history here in the
16· ·state.
17· · · · · · I mentioned Chatham County.· Here's a specific
18· ·look at our existing Elba facility and a number of
19· ·employees and taxes that we currently pay in Chatham
20· ·County.· Florida, South Carolina, I'm not going to talk
21· ·about that tonight.· So now we'll talk about
22· ·specifically about our project, and I'll turn it over
23· ·to Brian Williams, our project manager, to talk about
24· ·specifics.
25· · · · · · But to reiterate how we move forward on
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·1· ·projects, we have been looking at a project like this
·2· ·for many years based upon the need for additional
·3· ·refined products to service this region, Florida and
·4· ·Georgia in particular where most of the refined
·5· ·products, that's gasoline and diesel, is coming from
·6· ·offshore coming in by ship.
·7· · · · · · This will be the first pipeline system that is
·8· ·providing direct access to the Savannah area for this
·9· ·type of product.· So it's a system that's going to
10· ·assist with providing more product, more liability, and
11· ·we think have a positive impact on prices.
12· · · · · · And it's all based again on shippers wanting
13· ·this and needing this additional project.· So it's not
14· ·proposing to build a project and hoping that someone
15· ·might use it.· This project is subscribed.· That means
16· ·customers have signed up for it, they're going to use
17· ·it, and we'll start flowing product on this as soon as
18· ·the project is in service in 2017.
19· · · · · · But we are at the early stages, so there are
20· ·two pieces of what any project we do has to satisfy.
21· ·One, we have to satisfy the commercial part.· That
22· ·means that there is enough customer base, enough folks
23· ·who want to ship products on this line to justify the 1
24· ·billion dollar expansive system like this.· That's the
25· ·commercial piece.
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·1· · · · · · The second is to design a project that can
·2· ·meet the very rigorous regulatory standards that are in
·3· ·place in South Carolina, Georgia and Florida.· So
·4· ·before we announced this project, we believe we have
·5· ·designed a project that can meet those standards and
·6· ·have the commercial and the customers signed up to
·7· ·justify the billion dollar expenditure.
·8· · · · · · So while this is a proposed project, we are
·9· ·pursuing it and beginning the permitting process and
10· ·look forward to a very extensive and detailed dialogue
11· ·with all of you and other stakeholders through the
12· ·process.
13· · · · · · Brian.
14· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I want to take a little bit of
15· ·time and just kind of walk through at a high level the
16· ·project with you folks so everybody understands the
17· ·basis for the project.· And then as we mentioned, we
18· ·will be around afterwards to answer questions.
19· · · · · · We have some boards that give a little more
20· ·detail on the process involved with building a pipeline
21· ·project.· As Allen mentioned, this is a customer-driven
22· ·product.· We have customers that are interested in this
23· ·service and have already signed up with this service or
24· ·are committed to it to support the project.
25· · · · · · And we have had discussions in each of the
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·1· ·three states with regulatory agencies to preview the
·2· ·project with those folks.· So this is not something
·3· ·that's been sprung on folks.
·4· · · · · · The project, you may well be aware, is a
·5· ·360-mile pipeline from Belton, South Carolina, to North
·6· ·Augusta, South Carolina, and crossing the Savannah
·7· ·River, south of North Augusta and on down into the
·8· ·Savannah area and vents to Jacksonville.
·9· · · · · · It will tie into existing terminal communities
10· ·for petroleum products' distribution in the Augusta
11· ·area, North Augusta and in the Jacksonville area.· Here
12· ·in the Savannah area there would be a new terminal
13· ·built that is outside of the city limits.· It would be
14· ·in the Richmond Hill area, and we'll be taking a look
15· ·at that in the moment.
16· · · · · · Let's see, I think we've pretty well covered
17· ·this.· We mentioned gasoline diesel.· One other thing
18· ·this pipeline will transport is ethanol.· As you
19· ·probably are all aware, we now have ethanol in our
20· ·gasoline.· Right now that ethanol arrives in the
21· ·communities either by rail or truck.
22· · · · · · And the pipeline is a more efficient way to
23· ·move that.· It would be picking up the ethanol from the
24· ·Belton, South Carolina, area where there's a rail
25· ·off-load facility and bringing it in that way.
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·1· · · · · · The design capacity is up to 167,000 barrels a
·2· ·day.· We're looking at starting off at about 150,000
·3· ·barrels a day.· Let's see, there's a map that shows the
·4· ·impacted area.· We talked about the route a little
·5· ·bit.
·6· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Do you want to go back to the
·7· ·schedule too, Brian -·8· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.· Let's do
·9· ·that.
10· · · · · · MR. FORE:· -- and see where we are in the
11· ·process.
12· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· As Allen made mentioned, this
13· ·is the first of our outreach meetings, and we do indeed
14· ·want to have the communities involved as we're
15· ·developing the project.
16· · · · · · We have a preliminary route selected.· We're
17· ·preparing a lot of survey data right now.· Some of you
18· ·might have received survey permission notices if you
19· ·happen to be a property owner along the proposed route.
20· ·We also have teams that will be starting here in a few
21· ·weeks who will be conducting biological, wetlands,
22· ·cultural surveys.
23· · · · · · I'm sure I'm leaving something out of that
24· ·group, but that's part of the process also.· We have to
25· ·get all of that information collected in order to file
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·1· ·our applications for the project.· And that will be
·2· ·beginning here in a few weeks and going through the
·3· ·spring.
·4· · · · · · The pipeline construction start date, we're
·5· ·looking about a year out, Spring 2016, with about a
·6· ·little over one year construction period and looking at
·7· ·an operational date in July of 2017.· Okay?
·8· · · · · · Let's see, we talked about the route a little
·9· ·bit.· Here are the counties.· Along the way we have 20
10· ·counties and three states.· And here's the proposed
11· ·route in Chatham County, and I acknowledge that's a
12· ·pretty high level map.
13· · · · · · We do have the ability after the meeting, if
14· ·you're interested, we have the ability to look on some
15· ·software in some more detail if you'd like to do that
16· ·on an individual case-by-case basis.
17· · · · · · I mentioned and Allen mentioned also we are
18· ·involved with a number of federal and state agencies in
19· ·the permitting process.· These are just a few of them.
20· ·Let's see, we're also talking to Fish and Wildlife.· We
21· ·also have ongoing meetings with all of these folks and
22· ·Georgia DNR and Georgia DOT are involved in this too.
23· ·All right.
24· · · · · · MR. FORE:· So the process -- Going back to
25· ·this briefly, the regulatory piece, all of this is just
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·1· ·beginning as well.· So the initial contact with
·2· ·impacted landowners rule ultimately with Swain's folks,
·3· ·have individual consultations and conversations about
·4· ·potential impacts of property, consultations with
·5· ·resource agencies so we can better refine this route.
·6· · · · · · We have identified a route, most of which is
·7· ·co-located with other existing infrastructure.· But we
·8· ·can always improve upon that and that's what the
·9· ·individual conversations that we have with landowners,
10· ·with resource agencies, with other stakeholders, we
11· ·always learn something from all of these outreach
12· ·meetings we do that helps us refine a better route so
13· ·that the regulatory agencies have the best route that
14· ·we could put forward when they do their diligence to
15· ·review what we're doing and we're seeking the permits
16· ·that we have to receive.
17· · · · · · So we don't have any of the permits in place
18· ·at this point.· We're just beginning the process with
19· ·all the state agencies and the federal agencies to
20· ·secure the permits that are necessary for construction.
21· ·If all of the permits are in place, we'll follow the
22· ·construction schedule that Brian had outlined.
23· · · · · · But those are all pending.· We're not
24· ·presuming anything from the state or federal agencies.
25· ·We're anticipating this based upon our experience with
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·1· ·these agencies, our experience with projects in Georgia
·2· ·and the southeast, and what we have learned from these
·3· ·agencies from our initial consultations.
·4· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Allen, can I jump in, one
·5· ·thing?
·6· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Yeah.
·7· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· You touched on a very key
·8· ·point.· One of the things we want to do is minimize the
·9· ·impact of this pipeline.· So at the outset we wanted to
10· ·do the maximum amount that we could of co-location
11· ·along existing pipeline or utility corridors.
12· · · · · · And the route that we've laid out as a
13· ·preliminary route is a little over 80 percent
14· ·co-located either with existing pipelines or power line
15· ·corridors, and that -16· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Brian, you can use this.· I think
17· ·they're having a little trouble hearing you.
18· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Can you guys hear me in the
19· ·back corner now?
20· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Yes.
21· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Okay.· Well, that is a key
22· ·point I want to make sure we get across is that the
23· ·route we're looking at now has over 80 percent
24· ·co-location meaning we would be requiring easements
25· ·adjacent to existing easements, power lines and
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·1· ·pipelines.· Okay.
·2· · · · · · MR. FORE:· So with pipeline projects also come
·3· ·significant economic investments.· We expect the cost
·4· ·to be around a billion dollars for the project.· We
·5· ·expect there to be around 1200 construction jobs during
·6· ·the peak of the project, and we expect about 28
·7· ·full-time positions once the pipeline is in service.
·8· · · · · · So a significant economic boost to the region
·9· ·with the 1 billion dollar investment.· We'll have
10· ·ongoing tax payments as well to the county taxing
11· ·bodies in areas.· I think it's around 3 to $400,000
12· ·here in Chatham County.
13· · · · · · It doesn't mean that the county is going to
14· ·get all of that.· That's what we'll pay to the taxing
15· ·bodies on an annual basis.· And in the most recent year
16· ·in Georgia we paid about 5 million dollars in
17· ·properties ad valorem taxes to the state on our
18· ·existing assets, and that's based upon the evaluation
19· ·of the asset through the assessment process.
20· · · · · · We have had a long history and relationship
21· ·with the state and the county.· Most recently we
22· ·donated to the city for a fire boat at a meeting of the
23· ·city council, and we certainly want to continue that
24· ·stewardship and corporate citizenship in the area that
25· ·we've had for many years.
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·1· · · · · · So that's our general overview of the project.
·2· ·We know that's a lot of information and we want to
·3· ·reiterate that this is an interactive process that
·4· ·tonight is the start of a discussion.· We have four
·5· ·more of these open houses over the next couple of
·6· ·weeks.
·7· · · · · · I fully expect there are going to be many more
·8· ·presentations to county commissions and other
·9· ·organizations that are interested in hearing from us.
10· ·We're happy to do those, and we look forward to your
11· ·questions and comments this evening.
12· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· So just again if you'll raise
13· ·your hand and I'll indicate for you to come up.· We
14· ·need you up front so the court reporter can hear you
15· ·and can preserve your comments.
16· · · · · · All of your comments whether written out on
17· ·the sign-in sheet are mailed in or given orally to the
18· ·court reporter will be submitted to the Georgia
19· ·Department of Transportation and will be reviewed as a
20· ·part of Kinder Morgan's application for public
21· ·convenience and necessity.· And again you'll have
22· ·multiple opportunities to do that.
23· · · · · · Okay.· So we'll open the floor now to
24· ·comments.· The gentleman in the front here.
25· · · · · · MR. LOVE:· Does this work?
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·1· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Yeah, you just got to hold it.
·2· · · · · · MR. LOVE:· Okay.· Do my name too?
·3· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Yeah.· Sir, if you'll do your
·4· ·name and your address.
·5· · · · · · MR. LOVE:· My name is Fulton Love, L-o-v-e.

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·6· ·would like a little bit clearer -·7· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Excuse me.· Could you give your
·8· ·address as well.
·9· · · · · · MR. LOVE:· Oh,

11· · · · · · You haven't told us how many pipes it's going
12· ·to be.· You haven't told us if it's above ground, below
13· ·ground, what size they are.
14· · · · · · And I'm just sitting here thinking that it
15· ·could be a garden hose you're talking about.· I know
16· ·it's bigger than that, but I'd like a little bit better
17· ·explanation of what y'all are going to do.· And I'd
18· ·like the opportunity to come back up.
19· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Yes.· Okay.
20· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Sure.· That's a great question.
21· ·Pardon me for not stating the obvious.· The pipe
22· ·through Georgia would be 16-inch diameter.· Let's see,
23· ·it will be below grade.· It will be installed -- Can
24· ·you hear me now?· Okay.
25· · · · · · All right.· 16-inch diameter installed below

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·1· ·grade.· It will be installed according to the U.S.
·2· ·Department of Transportation regulations which means -·3· ·actually, we exceed those.
·4· · · · · · They require a minimum of 30 inches of cover.
·5· ·We typically go about four feet of cover to get a
·6· ·little more depth and to make it a little more amenable
·7· ·for people to have to cultivate around the line and
·8· ·over the line.
·9· · · · · · Did that get your questions?
10· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· PVC, galvanized?
11· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Another good question.· Steel,
12· ·yeah.· These are made out of steel.· They're designed
13· ·to operate -- And pardon me if I auger into engineering
14· ·details.· If I glaze over, try to raise your hand.
15· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Just one pipe?
16· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· One pipe, 16-inch diameter made
17· ·out of steel and it will operate well below its maximum
18· ·stress limit.· We limit it to 72 percent in that
19· ·number.
20· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Welded joints?
21· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I'm sorry, what was that?
22· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Welded joints.
23· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Yes, welded joints.· Another
24· ·good question.· And it will also be coated and
25· ·cathodically protected.· We coat the pipe with a type
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·1· ·of epoxy paint, if you will.· It's called fusion bonded
·2· ·epoxy.
·3· · · · · · The joints are welded up and then they're
·4· ·coated.· And then as soon as the pipeline is installed,
·5· ·we install a corrosion mitigation system.· It's called
·6· ·impressed current cathodic protection, and what that
·7· ·does is that drives the electrons from an electrode
·8· ·towards the pipe.
·9· · · · · · Normally when something rusts or corrodes,
10· ·electrons go away from that piece of metal and that's
11· ·what make it hit as the electrons go away.· We push the
12· ·current the other way to preclude that.· Okay?
13· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· How wide an easement?
14· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· I'm sorry, can we get you to come
15· ·up so that the court reporter can hear you and get your
16· ·comment.
17· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· I was just wondering how wide
18· ·the easement over -19· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Sir, are you able to come up so
20· ·that the court reporter -- Can you hear me?
21· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· I can hear you just fine, sir.
22· · · · · · The width of easement underground, above
23· ·ground, how wide is the easement and how is that
24· ·maintained?
25· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Okay.· Would you like to preserve
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·1· ·your name for the record?
·2· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Yeah, I can make a comment if
·3· ·you want.· I was trying to get more information
·4· ·first.
·5· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Okay.· All right.· Thanks.
·6· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I can hear you guys.
·7· ·Apparently you can't hear me.
·8· · · · · · The width of the easement we're seeking a
·9· ·50-foot easement width, and the way it's maintained is
10· ·that is mowed typically probably every other year,
11· ·every year or every other year.· It depends on what
12· ·part of the country we're in, and that's pretty much
13· ·it.
14· · · · · · The property is still available to the owner.
15· ·And about the only restriction on it is no permanent
16· ·structures without approval through in this case the
17· ·pipeline company once an easement has been granted.
18· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Temporary easement.
19· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Yeah, and that is a good point
20· ·Allen just mentioned.· There's something called
21· ·temporary construction easement that we typically have
22· ·to acquire, and that will depend -- the width of that
23· ·can vary up to 75 feet.
24· · · · · · But that would be just to get construction
25· ·equipment around each other and materials brought in
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·1· ·and such.· And then that is restored back, and as soon
·2· ·as the project is over, that easement goes away and
·3· ·only the permanent easement remains.
·4· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· The service life?
·5· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Service life?· That's a great
·6· ·question because with the installation methods that
·7· ·I've mentioned and with cathodic protection and ongoing
·8· ·maintenance of pipelines, I'm not quite sure what the
·9· ·service life is.
10· · · · · · We have some pipelines that are over 70 years
11· ·old that we inspect on a routine basis that are still
12· ·in very good, sound, operable condition.· I know of one
13· ·company that operates some pipelines in gathering
14· ·fields in California that are approaching 100 years
15· ·old.
16· · · · · · So service life is entirely based on how
17· ·they're maintained.· The good news for all of us as
18· ·citizens is the DOT stipulates how they are to be
19· ·maintained and recently has even stipulated that
20· ·pipeline companies have to internally inspect those
21· ·pipelines and mitigate problems that they might find.
22· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· Keith Moore, 108 Chase Drive,
23· ·Rincon, Georgia.· My property backs up to the railroad
24· ·tracks.· Y'all sent the man over Saturday.· He come by
25· ·my house wanting me to sign for the combined survey,
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·1· ·which I didn't do.
·2· · · · · · But he's telling me that they wanted -- they
·3· ·were coming off from the railroad tracks to my property
·4· ·to run this pipeline and they might need a few feet of
·5· ·my property.· I told him I couldn't see the railroad
·6· ·giving up any easement that they have.· I wasn't that
·7· ·far out in the left field.
·8· · · · · · Is it from the railroad, 75 feet off of the
·9· ·railroad onto me 50 feet or 75 feet?· In the
10· ·newspaper it said a hundred foot.
11· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· What I'd like to do is
12· ·follow-up with you after the meeting and we'll pull up
13· ·a more detailed route, and I'd like to see exactly
14· ·where you're talking.· You are right, railroads are
15· ·loathed to give up anything.
16· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· Yeah, I know that.· I'm smart
17· ·enough to know that.
18· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· And we do have a few pipelines
19· ·that are located on railroad easements.· Nothing's been
20· ·installed in recent history along railroad
21· ·right-of-ways that I'm aware of.
22· · · · · · And this may be one of the locations where we
23· ·would have to cross under the road.· But I'd like to -24· ·I'd like to follow up with you.· This is parallel -25· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· You won't be crossing under the
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·1· ·railroad.
·2· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· And there is a portion that
·3· ·we're looking at that will run parallel to a
·4· ·railroad.
·5· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· Right.· I mean if you're going to
·6· ·run parallel with the railroad, how much easement are
·7· ·you talking about because the paper said a hundred
·8· ·foot.· A hundred foot is devastating to me.
·9· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Sure.
10· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· 50 foot ain't too bad.
11· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· 50 foot permanent easement is
12· ·the most we're going to seek anywhere.
13· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· Okay.· I mean 50 foot you're not
14· ·going to devastate me.· If you take a hundred foot,
15· ·you're hitting me hard, man.
16· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Okay.· Well, if you would,
17· ·please, if you have time -18· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· Yeah, I got all the time in the
19· ·world.
20· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· -- we'll follow up after this
21· ·meeting or, if you prefer, we can follow up off line.
22· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· Yeah, that would be fine.
23· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· That's at your convenience.
24· · · · · · MR. MOORE:· Yeah, I will.· We'll talk to you
25· ·afterwards.
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·1· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Okay.· In the back there.
·2· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· Do I have to say my name?
·3· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Yes.
·4· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· KC Allan, 34 Sherbourne Road,
·5· ·Savannah 31419.· I'm not going to use this because
·6· ·it -- So these are all going to be stupid questions.
·7· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I doubt that.
·8· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· So I think I read somewhere it's
·9· ·going to be like 167,000 barrels per day that comes
10· ·down that's capacity.· And I just was curious, you
11· ·know.· I heard that you're going to drop some of that
12· ·in South Carolina and some of it in Savannah and
13· ·ultimately the rest in Jacksonville.
14· · · · · · How much of it is going to stay at each,
15· ·percentage wise at each stop because I can't imagine
16· ·that you would have been appealing for a certificate of
17· ·need if you haven't already sold that capacity.
18· · · · · · So, number one, what are the proportions and,
19· ·number two, is it correct that you have sold that
20· ·capacity ahead of time?
21· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Okay.· And, I'm sorry, I've got
22· ·such a short memory I've already forgot.· You had two
23· ·questions.· I remember that part.· Number one, was how
24· ·much drops off, right?
25· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· At each place.
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·1· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· At each place.· And we're
·2· ·really -- That's really based on the market need.· It's
·3· ·driven by our customers as to what will be delivered in
·4· ·each of those existing terminal communities like North
·5· ·Augusta.· And in Savannah it will be driven by what
·6· ·customers sign up for in Savannah.
·7· · · · · · We are prevented by the Federal Energy
·8· ·Regulatory Commission from talking specific volumes
·9· ·about specific shippers.· And there are resources you
10· ·can look at that talk about the aggregate volumes.· We
11· ·have almost -- we have sufficient commitments already
12· ·to justify the project economically.
13· · · · · · I will tell you that.· It's not up to 167.
14· ·I'll tell you that too.· And we're starting -- As I
15· ·mentioned earlier, our initial startup capacity we're
16· ·looking at is about 150,000 a day across that entire
17· ·system.
18· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· But because you have your
19· ·certificate of need which means you had your open
20· ·season and you've set your rate with FERC so you know
21· ·who your customers are, can you not without naming them
22· ·specifically or getting too much into barrels per day,
23· ·can you not just give us a spitball idea of how much is
24· ·going to stay in Savannah and how much is going to go
25· ·on?· I mean that's not a trade secret, is it?
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·1· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Well, our customers will
·2· ·probably get pretty upset.
·3· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· Well, they remain anonymous so I
·4· ·don't see how you can be hurting their feelings.
·5· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Yeah, those are understandable
·6· ·questions.· I will tell you the Jacksonville market is
·7· ·the largest of the three markets we serve.· That's
·8· ·fairly obvious.
·9· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· Right.
10· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I can't tell you exactly how
11· ·much you will see in Savannah.· It will be a pretty
12· ·good bit.
13· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· You actually know but you just
14· ·can't reveal?
15· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Well, I can tell you -16· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· You're keeping a secret from us.
17· ·Come on, we won't tell.
18· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I'm not going to tell you the
19· ·customers.· I cannot tell you -20· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· Right.· No, I understand that.
21· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· -- what volumes different
22· ·shippers have.· I can tell you, and this will show up
23· ·in our permitting document for air permit regulations
24· ·in Savannah, we're looking in the neighborhood of
25· ·25,000 barrels a day.
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·1· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· Okay.
·2· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· That's going to show up in an
·3· ·air permit application that will be filed here in the
·4· ·next few months.· Okay?
·5· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· Thank you.
·6· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· I actually have a couple of
·7· ·questions.· It's not actually comments.· I don't know
·8· ·if this is on.
·9· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· You've just got to hold it real
10· ·close.
11· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· My name is Emily Markesteyn,
12· ·M-a-r-k-e-s-t-e-y-n.·

· · · · · I wanted to make sure I understood when the
16· ·written comments were due.· When is that?
17· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· The written comments?· So we
18· ·are -- We are currently taking all comments throughout
19· ·the process of all five public hearings.
20· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· Okay.
21· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· I believe the Georgia DOT needs
22· ·to receive all written comments at a certain time
23· ·period before it is able to make its ruling.· I would
24· ·have to double check.· I can get back to you.
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·1· ·bell because that's Monday.· I think I saw that
·2· ·somewhere.
·3· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· That's what it says in the
·4· ·public announcement.
·5· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· And so we're only going to
·6· ·have one public hearing or two before the written
·7· ·comments are due.
·8· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· The written comments for this
·9· ·particular hearing or are you talking about the written
10· ·comments in general during this process?
11· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· I guess can you tell me where
12· ·the written comments or whom they're going to.· Is this
13· ·for Kinder Morgan, is this for DOT, and when are they
14· ·due?
15· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· To clarify, these written
16· ·comments will be submitted to the Georgia Department of
17· ·Transportation.
18· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· Okay.
19· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Let me take a look and double
20· ·check real quick to make sure of the time frame, but we
21· ·are within the regulatory time of having hearings and
22· ·having discussions and having comment.· And naturally
23· ·at that point, at some point that's going to be closed
24· ·down.
25· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· Sure.
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·1· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· So I'll take a look and I'll
·2· ·double check for you.
·3· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· Okay.· Thank you.· Are there
·4· ·maps specifically showing where the pipeline will cross
·5· ·water bodies?· Is there a map showing that yet?
·6· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Not yet.
·7· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· Okay.
·8· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· As Allen mentioned earlier, we
·9· ·have preliminary routes.· We've identified proposed
10· ·crossings.· That's something we still have yet to
11· ·develop and we will be working with regulatory agencies
12· ·on that.
13· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· Okay.· And then can you talk
14· ·a little more about the storage tanks and then the pump
15· ·stations and the terminals where those, how far spread
16· ·out those are going to be, what kind of dangers
17· ·surround those areas, and would you consider those
18· ·types of structures or equipment more or less
19· ·susceptible to spillage than the actual pipeline
20· ·itself?
21· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Okay.· All right.· Let's start
22· ·off with where these structures, above-ground
23· ·facilities will be.· And, boy, that is a terrible
24· ·map.
25· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· It sure is.· Can't even see
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·1· ·it.
·2· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Let's go to the -- there's another
·3· ·slide.
·4· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· That's the map y'all sent me in
·5· ·the mail.· I can't make heads or tails of it.
·6· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I just got a postcard from my
·7· ·ophthalmologist saying it's time for a visit.· I'm glad
·8· ·I'm not the only one.
·9· · · · · · All right.· At Belton, South Carolina, there
10· ·will be an above-ground tank farm there with about
11· ·eight tanks where we will receive gasoline, diesel and
12· ·ethanol.· Gasoline, the diesel will come off the
13· ·Plantation pipeline system.
14· · · · · · We break these products.· We call it breaking
15· ·it out into tanks.· And the reason for that is pipeline
16· ·systems don't run at the same speed, and you have to
17· ·have some kind of storage container to hold it in and
18· ·sequence these out at the right speed.
19· · · · · · The analogy -- I finally got smart enough
20· ·after about 30 years in the industry and talking with
21· ·people to realize that the analogy for how a pipeline
22· ·runs is like a one-lane road.· And if you have a
23· ·Corvette, you can go zipping down the road until a log
24· ·truck pulls up and as fast as you're going to go is the
25· ·speed of that log truck.
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·1· · · · · · And so the Palmetto system is receiving off of
·2· ·the Plantation pipeline system which is a larger
·3· ·diameter pipe that runs at a faster speed.· So we have
·4· ·to break it out into tanks.· We'll have those six or
·5· ·seven, or excuse me, seven or eight above-ground tanks
·6· ·at Belton in a pump station at that facility.
·7· · · · · · And if any of you guys are familiar with
·8· ·Belton, South Carolina -- Nobody's been there?· Okay.
·9· ·Good, a few people have been there.· There's an
10· ·existing terminal community there that the facility
11· ·will be built on an existing site that we are acquiring
12· ·from a terminal operator whose moved out of the area.
13· · · · · · Let's see, we'll be connecting to existing
14· ·terminal facilities in the North Augusta area on the
15· ·Spanish side of the river and then we will have a pump
16· ·station.· Let's see, our first remote pump station is
17· ·going to probably be somewhere in this stretch
18· ·(indicating).· We're going to have three remote pump
19· ·stations.· Yes.
20· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Is that identified by county?
21· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Not yet.
22· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Okay.
23· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I'm sorry, you're ahead of me.
24· ·I knew that question was coming.· We have not completed
25· ·all of our hydraulic analysis that says where that
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·1· ·station has to be.
·2· · · · · · And there's a little bit of number crunching
·3· ·that has to go on to say where's the right spot from a
·4· ·hydraulic standpoint, a pressure standpoint, to put the
·5· ·next pump station.· So we're working on those.· I can't
·6· ·tell you -- I know where the origin point pump station
·7· ·is.· We've identified that one.
·8· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· -- out of somebody's
·9· ·backyard.
10· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I'm sorry?
11· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· You won't be putting it in
12· ·somebody's backyard, will you?
13· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· We do not intend to do that,
14· ·and that leads to a question that hasn't yet been asked
15· ·but what do we do at these sites.
16· · · · · · These are typically probably roughly two to
17· ·five-acre sites.· And it is our intent, it's Kinder
18· ·Morgan's intent, to buy that property in fee so that
19· ·that would not be an easement type thing.· So we find a
20· ·willing seller, and that also plays into where these
21· ·are located too.· Okay?
22· · · · · · MS. MARKESTEYN:· Can you explain a little bit
23· ·about the safety aspect of this equipment, the pump
24· ·stations and such versus the actual pipeline itself.

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·1· ·than the actual pipeline?
·2· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Valves and stuff like that.
·3· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Valves and stuff like that and
·4· ·equipment, stuff that can break, sometimes it does
·5· ·break, guys.· But what we intend to do here is follow
·6· ·some design practices that we put in place probably
·7· ·beginning 20 years ago in the Kinder Morgan companies.
·8· · · · · · And we put curb concrete containment under
·9· ·places where we might have problems like that.

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10· ·mentioned to you that pipeline operators now have to
11· ·internally inspect their pipelines on a periodic basis.
12· ·That's every fifth year minimum with electronic tools.
13· · · · · · In between those times, we run cleaning tools
14· ·through the pipeline.· And it depends on what type of
15· ·services it is as to how frequently you have to run a
16· ·cleaning tool through there.
17· · · · · · Where we load those in we have a launcher
18· ·facility where we catch it and pull it out of the pipe
19· ·typically after about 100 or 120 miles.· We have a
20· ·catching facility and a relaunch.· We put those curb
21· ·concrete containments under those because every now and
22· ·then you get a drip even when you put a drip pan there.
23· ·We don't want any of that to get on the ground.
24· · · · · · You know, we recognize where we will be
25· ·placing these facilities is clean ground.· And it's not
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·1· ·in our interests, it's not in any of your interests or
·2· ·any of us to do anything to let petroleum products get
·3· ·on that ground.· Okay?
·4· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Do you have further comments?
·5· ·Yes, the lady in front.
·6· · · · · · MS. COLLIER:· Claudia Collier,

·8· · · · · · It looks like on this map that a lot of this
·9· ·pipeline goes through Effingham County, but there has
10· ·been no public meeting announced for Effingham County.
11· ·And this map shows pretty much Chatham County, which is
12· ·a little bit of Effingham County thrown here.
13· · · · · · Is there a reason for that and can you tell
14· ·me -- I live right there (indicating).· And so I know
15· ·right in here is the electrical lines, the huge
16· ·electrical easement lines through there.· But, of
17· ·course, Effingham goes on up through the map there.
18· · · · · · Can you tell me how much percentage of you say
19· ·co-located pipeline is going to be through electrical
20· ·lines in Effingham County or why?
21· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I'd have to dig that number up
22· ·for you.
23· · · · · · MS. COLLIER:· Do you know why we haven't had a
24· ·meeting in Effingham or do you not have that many
25· ·people you're buying property from there or easements?

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·1· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· What we're doing is we're
·2· ·trying to space out the meetings that we have.· We
·3· ·have -- We're spacing out along the route in Georgia
·4· ·and we have five different meeting locations, and we
·5· ·were hoping that those were close enough for people to
·6· ·reasonably reach those meetings.· That's the logic.
·7· · · · · · MS. COLLIER:· But if this would have been
·8· ·Effingham's meeting, you should have had a map of
·9· ·Effingham.
10· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Well, if you would like -11· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· We came tonight to try to set
12· ·up a date with them.· We're county commissioners.
13· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Yeah, we've got Effingham County
14· ·maps here too.· Let's get out the rest of the maps, the
15· ·different county maps, okay, and we can talk about
16· ·setting up a meeting.
17· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Okay.· And again if you'd
18· ·like -19· · · · · · MR. FORE:· So do you want to talk to them
20· ·about why we -- what the process is for these types of
21· ·meetings.
22· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Absolutely.· For these types of
23· ·meetings -- and the purpose here again is to create a
24· ·record of your comments and have an opportunity to be
25· ·heard.· The idea is that we are, as Brian said, spacing
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·1· ·these out along the route themselves to capture those
·2· ·surrounding areas.
·3· · · · · · As we went through, we looked at where would
·4· ·be roughly like a 30-minute, 45-minute drive radius for
·5· ·counties that are affected.· Under the regulations
·6· ·we're not required to go through county by county.· But
·7· ·again Kinder Morgan will work with all counties and
·8· ·local officials to help with this information process
·9· ·and help receive your comments.
10· · · · · · And again the comment period is open for your
11· ·verbal comments and your written comments during that
12· ·time, and I'm still trying to nail down the exact time
13· ·period.· In general the Georgia DOT has 90 days to make
14· ·a decision, and that is -- it's not clear at this
15· ·moment if there's a point in time in which your written
16· ·comments would be cut off before that 90 days, but I'll
17· ·get back to you with that information.
18· · · · · · MR. FORE:· So to add onto that, in addition to
19· ·these DOT meetings, certainly at the request if the
20· ·commissioners in a county want us to come in and do a
21· ·presentation, we're happy to do that.· So talk to us
22· ·afterwards and we'll work on -- I'll work on setting
23· ·something up.
24· · · · · · So this is the first, literally the first
25· ·meeting we've had on this project in a public
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·1· ·perspective.· And if it's typical of any other project
·2· ·that we do across the country, and we have many, there
·3· ·are dozens and dozens of public meeting of various
·4· ·shapes and sizes that what we do in addition to the
·5· ·individual one-on-one and small group meetings that our
·6· ·land folks have and regulatory agencies as well.
·7· · · · · · So we're committed to doing that and look
·8· ·forward to, so I'm happy to talk after about that.
·9· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Thank you.· Thank you very
10· ·much.· I appreciate it.
11· · · · · · MR. FORE:· All right.
12· · · · · · MR. WILLIS:· I'm Steve Willis.· I live at 801
13· ·East Victory Drive in Savannah, Georgia.
14· · · · · · Anyway, I appreciate the opportunity to speak
15· ·to you.· I think that one thing that I really would
16· ·like to get a good clear answer to is the logic of this
17· ·pipeline based upon furnishing needs on the coast.
18· · · · · · The fact is that there's not been any increase
19· ·in domestic demand in this area for the last five years
20· ·for fossil fuel products.· And as a matter of fact,
21· ·nationwide the demand is down now.· The prices are low.
22· ·We don't have a price problem here.· We don't need to
23· ·have a huge influx of additional product here because
24· ·our price is already low.
25· · · · · · The one thing that is happening that everybody
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·1· ·should be aware of is there's a huge boom in
·2· ·exportation, shipping oil products out of the United
·3· ·States.· Because of the fracking process because of the
·4· ·oil and the gas that's being produced, there is a huge
·5· ·surplus being created and that surplus is being
·6· ·exported as fast as people can export it.· They've got
·7· ·permits for new export facilities all up and down the
·8· ·coast.
·9· · · · · · Kinder Morgan, the company that's talking to
10· ·you right now is a company that is working to develop
11· ·and get permitted on export facility for natural gas
12· ·from Elba Island right here in Savannah, a facility
13· ·that has long been a matter of concern to people for
14· ·the potential of it having an accident which could be
15· ·catastrophic.
16· · · · · · So it's not an accident I don't think that
17· ·this pipeline runs down through right past two of the
18· ·largest port facilities in the East Coast.· I think
19· ·that what really is going on here is that we're being
20· ·sold a bill of goods.· There's not really an intention
21· ·to drive our prices down.· There's a desire, an
22· ·understandable desire, to profit from a surplus of
23· ·product that they want to export.
24· · · · · · Now, if that's not the case, there's one way
25· ·that they can prove to me that they're not lying and
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·1· ·that's to take out a hundred million dollar bond that
·2· ·they would forfeit to the State of Georgia if they ever
·3· ·entered into any kind of an exportation project.· If
·4· ·they are in fact thinking about exportation, then they
·5· ·should come clean and say that's what this is all
·6· ·about.· This is about exportation.
·7· · · · · · And if that's the case, everybody in this room
·8· ·should understand when you start exporting a product
·9· ·like gasoline, it drives up the local price.· It
10· ·doesn't lower it.· So if their real intention is to
11· ·export this gas, then it's going to result in higher
12· ·prices, not lower prices.
13· · · · · · And it's really very mysterious.· Why is this
14· ·pipeline being cut down to Savannah and Jacksonville
15· ·where there's no demand, no public outcry, no high
16· ·prices with the idea that they're going to give us all
17· ·these benefits when in reality it seems like what they
18· ·really want to do is lay the groundworks for a massive
19· ·exportation process, which would also bring us into the
20· ·same arena as Southern Louisiana where you have
21· ·pipelines all over the place, leakages all over the
22· ·place.
23· · · · · · And if anybody's been to Southern Louisiana,
24· ·they know that it's not a prosperous place.· All this
25· ·pipeline investment in Southern Louisiana has resulted
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·1· ·in a third world area where people are impoverished.
·2· ·And I think that everything that I just said deserves
·3· ·to be discussed publicly and not repressed and not cut
·4· ·off and not have the subject avoided.· Thank you.
·5· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· That's why we're having this
·6· ·forum.· America is a great place.· There are a lot of
·7· ·places where we couldn't have differences of opinion
·8· ·aired in a reasonable forum.
·9· · · · · · I will point out that the connections that
10· ·we're making to the Palmetto pipeline in the Savannah
11· ·area -- see that little dipsy doodle -- that's about
12· ·where the terminal will be.· That terminal is
13· ·landlocked.
14· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Where is that going to be?
15· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· The access to that terminal -16· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Where is that going to be?
17· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· It's south of Richmond Hill -18· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Where?
19· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· -- on the west side.· We'll
20· ·look at it in more detail if you would like after the
21· ·meeting.· That's landlocked.· There's no connection to
22· ·the water.
23· · · · · · The terminals that we are connecting to in
24· ·Jacksonville are existing terminals.· Those terminals
25· ·are currently served by vessel.· And the shippers who
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·1· ·are interested in having us connect to them are
·2· ·interested in displacing that vessel service.
·3· · · · · · There's no intent for Kinder Morgan to export.
·4· ·And if those terminals to which we will be connecting
·5· ·were to export, they would have to make some
·6· ·significant modifications, physical modifications, and
·7· ·I have no idea what all regulatory hurdles they would
·8· ·face.· That would be interesting.
·9· · · · · · As to impoverishment, I would have to say
10· ·that -- I'll just have to tell you about my personal
11· ·experience.· For about the last five years I've been
12· ·doing some of the work down in the Eagleford shale
13· ·formation in South Texas, south of San Antonio.
14· · · · · · Have any of you guys ever heard of DeWitt
15· ·County, Texas?· Anybody ever been there?· Five years
16· ·ago that was one of the poorest counties in the State
17· ·of Texas.· Main Street was pretty well shuttered.
18· · · · · · And that happened to be -- that's the county
19· ·seat of DeWitt County.· The county seat is the town of
20· ·Cuero, a town of about 6,000 people in a county of
21· ·20,000 people and they were pretty well suffering.
22· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Excuse me.· Could you talk up.
23· ·There are some of us lined up out the doorway here and
24· ·we can't hear you.
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·1· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· It's not working.· It's not
·2· ·on.
·3· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· All right.· I'll speak up.
·4· ·How's this?· Where I was going is what I've seen from
·5· ·my experience in South Texas -·6· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Now it's working.· Talk into it
·7· ·real close.
·8· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Okay.· How's that?· All right.
·9· ·It's good to have a professional around.
10· · · · · · What I've seen down in South Texas is an
11· ·amazing story because of the shale boom, and there has
12· ·actually been very constructive work between the
13· ·counties in that area and the producers, developers and
14· ·the pipeline companies in that area.
15· · · · · · I've seen roads paved from the proceeds
16· ·generated by the work.· I've seen parts built.· I've
17· ·seen in downtown Cuero now it's hard to find parking
18· ·when you go into town to find lunch.· There's been a
19· ·lot of investment there.· The Ford dealer and the Chevy
20· ·dealers' lots are now covered up with brand new
21· ·vehicles which is good.· And what else?
22· · · · · · I guess the only downside I've seen to be
23· ·honest with you is I noticed it on Main Street in
24· ·Cuero, Texas, the last time I went through about a year
25· ·ago, there are now three bail bondsmen's offices.· But,
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·1· ·you know, I'd have to say that there's been a lot of
·2· ·prosperity injected into certain parts of the country.
·3· · · · · · Do you know what the unemployment rate in
·4· ·North Dakota is right now?
·5· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· It's low.
·6· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· It's below 3 percent.· Do you
·7· ·know what frictional unemployment is in the United
·8· ·States?· It's about 5 percent.· That means there are
·9· ·people working that don't really want a job.
10· · · · · · There are people at McDonald's in North
11· ·Dakota, the numbers I'm hearing are $12 to $15 an hour
12· ·kind of rate for McDonald's work.· What I saw down in
13· ·South Texas is the starting pay rate for anyone with a
14· ·CDL truck driver's license is $48 an hour.
15· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Where is that at in Texas?
16· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Well, that's why I told my
17· ·youngest son and some of his buddies who weren't quite
18· ·sure what they wanted to do, it would be a great idea
19· ·to pack a suitcase and head to South Texas, North
20· ·Dakota and Western Pennsylvania.· Okay.
21· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· We'll try to get to you as soon
22· ·as we can during this period.
23· · · · · · MR. GREGORY:· Harry Gregory, Harry like Harry
24· ·Potter, Gregory, G-r-e-g-o-r-y,

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·1· · · · · · My concern is that we don't have 70 years
·2· ·before we have to scale off of fossil fuels.· So it
·3· ·seems like risky investment for your billion dollars to
·4· ·expand at this time when it's really a short-term need
·5· ·regardless of what your customers are telling you now.
·6· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Is that it?· Do you have anything
·7· ·else?
·8· · · · · · MR. GREGORY:· I'd just like to hear your
·9· ·response.
10· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Well, as I said at the outset is
11· ·we're the leading pipeline operator in the United
12· ·States.· And all of our systems, all of our customers,
13· ·all of our new construction bills go through a detailed
14· ·analysis long before we ever get to this point.
15· · · · · · We've had a project like this on the drawing
16· ·board for years, and it has not moved forward because
17· ·we didn't have the two things we have to have on every
18· ·project and that's the commercial certainty, the firm
19· ·shipper contracts.· These aren't hypothetical.
20· · · · · · These are firm shipper contracts that there is
21· ·a need for this project from a commercial standpoint
22· ·that once we get this in service product is going to be
23· ·flowing immediately in significant portions to justify
24· ·that.
25· · · · · · So it's contractually subscribed and then the
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·1· ·regulatory piece too.· So we've got to -- And I know
·2· ·there are a lot of strong opinions about this project,
·3· ·and we're going to be hearing those throughout this
·4· ·process.
·5· · · · · · We've still got to go to the regulators.· The
·6· ·DOT is just one agency.· We've got multiple regulatory
·7· ·agencies that we've got to meet and exceed their
·8· ·standards for construction and all their aspects of
·9· ·pipeline.
10· · · · · · So we wouldn't be moving forward on this if
11· ·there wasn't a need for this, not on a short-term but
12· ·on a long-term basis to justify the billion dollars
13· ·that Kinder Morgan is investing in the project.
14· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· The gentleman there on the aisle.
15· ·And just to answer your question, ma'am, the statute
16· ·regulations do not set a specific time that written
17· ·comment is cut off.· However, the DOT has 90 days from
18· ·the filing of Kinder Morgan's application from
19· ·February 13th to either approve or deny the
20· ·application.
21· · · · · · And if it doesn't do those things, then
22· ·automatically under the statute and under the
23· ·regulations is approved.· So if you do want to make a
24· ·written comment, we encourage you to do so promptly.
25· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· So the 90 days started
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·1· ·February 13th?
·2· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· February 13th, yes, ma'am.
·3· · · · · · MR. STEECE:· Larry Steece,

·5· · · · · · This proposed route, is this the best of
·6· ·several proposed and this is the one that you picked?
·7· ·Okay.· Roughly from here down to Savannah (indicating)
·8· ·you managed to parallel one of the biggest earthquake
·9· ·faults in the south.
10· · · · · · Is this in consideration?
11· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Okay.· As was mentioned, this
12· ·was a proposed route.
13· · · · · · MR. STEECE:· Correct.
14· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· And at the outset I mentioned
15· ·that we are attempting to minimize impact on folks,
16· ·right, so we're co-locating with existing utility
17· ·corridors.· Where we are right now is refining that
18· ·route, and there's an awful lot of work to be done.
19· · · · · · We mentioned that we've got archeological,
20· ·biological, wetland surveys to do, and we also have
21· ·geotechnical work to do along the route.· So we don't
22· ·anticipate any issues there, seismic issues.
23· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Sir, would you like to come up
24· ·and then I'll get to you.
25· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Henry Morgan is my name.· I live

·1· ·at
·2· · · · · · And just to reiterate the earlier gentleman, I
·3· ·don't -- just to really sink it down to a few words.
·4· ·What was your name again, sir?
·5· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Andrew Mutter.
·6· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Thank you, Mr. Mutter.· Every
·7· ·time I go to the gas station in Savannah, which is
·8· ·fairly often because I have four vehicles, I normally
·9· ·don't have to wait very long to get my gasoline even at
10· ·what most people I think would consider is a relatively
11· ·low price right now.
12· · · · · · So when y'all started off and said this is
13· ·necessary, I don't believe that is entirely correct.
14· ·Okay.· I'm not through.· Now, what I understand is
15· ·y'all are with the Department of Transportation now in
16· ·the State of Georgia?
17· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· We are making that application.
18· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· And it's already been made?
19· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Yeah.· We made the application,
20· ·the application is being reviewed, and the comments are
21· ·being recorded.
22· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Could you guys speak up a
23· ·little bit.· I can't hear you.
24· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· We have made the applications and
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·1· ·and that's the 90 days that we're speaking of.
·2· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· I think you need to turn the
·3· ·mic on.
·4· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Is the red light on?· If it's red
·5· ·it's on.
·6· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· No.
·7· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· I think it's running out of
·8· ·battery.
·9· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· So did you say that -- I'm
10· ·sorry.
11· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· This is not my mic.· This is
12· ·Kinder Morgan's.
13· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Did you say an environmental
14· ·impact statement has been prepared?
15· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Ma'am, at this point we're before
16· ·the Department of Transportation.· The environmental
17· ·piece is a separate piece that comes after Kinder
18· ·Morgan has had a chance to go through and survey all of
19· ·these, the proposed route, and make an assessment about
20· ·the environmental impact and do the various studies
21· ·that they've been discussing.
22· · · · · · Then Kinder Morgan will submit an application
23· ·separately to the EPD, the Georgia EPD, for review on
24· ·the environmental aspect of this project.· We're just
25· ·in the very initial phases of this process.
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·1· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Okay.
·2· · · · · · Now, without having to delve into the
·3· ·legalities of it, if y'all approach a landowner about
·4· ·taking their land, do we have a preliminary hearing to
·5· ·contest the taking of it or has it already been
·6· ·predetermined by the Georgia Department of
·7· ·Transportation?
·8· · · · · · So I'm asking you for your legal opinion.
·9· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· So again we are going through the
10· ·process right now of securing the permitting approval
11· ·of the Georgia DOT.
12· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Right.
13· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· And the EPD.
14· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Right.
15· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Kinder Morgan will approach
16· ·individual landowners directly to negotiate the sale of
17· ·the property.
18· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Yes, sir.
19· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· And not immediately engage in any
20· ·kind of condemnation or taking process.· That is a
21· ·separate process that comes after all applications have
22· ·been submitted and after we have gotten approval from
23· ·both agencies to exercise the private right of eminent
24· ·domain.
25· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Okay.· One more thing.· Then who
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·1· ·at the Georgia Department of Transportation should we
·2· ·be in touch with about the certificate process besides
·3· ·this thing?
·4· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· You can get in touch with Michael
·5· ·Bolden who is a director, administrator at the Georgia
·6· ·DOT.
·7· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· With what department?
·8· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· He's with utilities.
·9· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Michael Bolton?
10· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Bolden.· It's B-o-l-d-e-n.
11· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· B-o-l-d-e-n.· He's done a good
12· ·job trying not to mention it.· Let me tell you -13· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Wait a minute.· Excuse me, sir.
14· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· I am Michael Bolden.
15· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Oh, I'm sorry.· You're Michael
16· ·Bolden.· Do you have your business card?
17· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· Yes, I do.
18· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Can I get one because I've got to
19· ·go somewhere.
20· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· Let me give you the aspect of the
21· ·Georgia DOT on this project.
22· · · · · · MR. MORGAN:· Can I get your card, please?
23· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· Georgia DOT's responsibility in
24· ·this is to do a necessity of certificate.· There is a
25· ·State law that's 22-3 that they passed sometime back in
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·1· ·2001, '-2, '-3.· I don't know the exact date.
·2· · · · · · Where it puts the department's responsibility
·3· ·at is that they file a certificate of need.· Ten days
·4· ·later they have to advertise it.· Three days after that
·5· ·they send me a copy of it.· Somewhere between that and
·6· ·the end of the 90 days they send me the comments.
·7· · · · · · If there is anything that disputes it, we'll
·8· ·talk to them about it like I think the national -- the
·9· ·battlefield thing.· We'll probably talk to them about
10· ·it.· I want to say it's a little further north.· I'm
11· ·not sure where it is.
12· · · · · · But the department's involvement is to tell
13· ·them that all they are, they have went by the OCGA 22-3
14· ·which gives them the right to do eminent domain.· The
15· ·department is not involved with the eminent domain.· We
16· ·don't come out and buy your right-of-way.· We don't
17· ·approach you.· It's all the pipeline.
18· · · · · · We're just passed by the law to see that
19· ·there's a certificate of need and they follow the
20· ·process.
21· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Then with eminent domain who
22· ·gives the permission to invoke eminent domain?
23· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· He does.
24· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· No, no, no.
25· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· You approve their certificate;
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·1· ·isn't that right?
·2· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· Right.· But all they have to
·3· ·prove in that certificate is that they have a pipeline
·4· ·and somebody wants their product.· It's not me to
·5· ·question if they're exporting it or anything else.· But
·6· ·the State -·7· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· That automatically gives them
·8· ·eminent domain?· All they have to do is file?
·9· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· No, ma'am.
10· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Okay.
11· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· No.· State law gives them the
12· ·right to use eminent domain.
13· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· State law.
14· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· But only after the completion of
15· ·both processes using the -- getting the certificate of
16· ·public convenience and necessity from the Georgia DOT
17· ·and a permit from the EPD.
18· · · · · · MR. BOLDEN:· From the EPD.
19· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· I'm sorry, let me make this clear
20· ·for the court reporter.· There are two administrative
21· ·processes that Kinder Morgan must go through.
22· · · · · · The first is the process with the Georgia DOT
23· ·to get a public convenience and necessity certificate
24· ·as Mr. Bolden has explained, and that is focusing on
25· ·whether or not this is in the public convenience and
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·1· ·necessity in a general sense looking at whether or not
·2· ·there's a need for it and that kind of thing.
·3· · · · · · All of those records are available through a
·4· ·request for information with the Georgia DOT and
·5· ·explain -- in many ways it's just a repetition of what
·6· ·Kinder Morgan has been explaining to you tonight
·7· ·explaining the basic economics of it, the
·8· ·justifications behind it and what it will look like.
·9· · · · · · The next piece is the Georgia EPD process and
10· ·that is an environmental assessment.· Kinder Morgan
11· ·will have to go through and submit a separate
12· ·environmental application to the Georgia EPD after
13· ·making a survey and after collecting all the various
14· ·environmental and cultural impact data and submitting
15· ·it then to the Georgia EPD, and that will be a separate
16· ·review process to this one.
17· · · · · · Once both of those pieces are together, under
18· ·the State statute Kinder Morgan will have the ability
19· ·to exercise eminent domain if it becomes necessary.
20· ·There's still a separate condemnation process in which
21· ·the individual landowners can contest the taking,
22· ·contest the valuation, and that's the process that will
23· ·come in the latter half.
24· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· That's no good.
25· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· The gentleman in the back had a
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·1· ·question.· Would you like to come up, please.
·2· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· No microphone?
·3· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· No mic.
·4· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· Okay.· My name is Louis Taylor,
·5· ·address
·6· · · · · · Having heard what you said already, it appears
·7· ·to me that my question may not be able to be answered.
·8· ·Specifically I want to know how much data you have
·9· ·currently that pertains to the number or the amount of
10· ·wetlands that will be affected by your desired route?
11· · · · · · And if you don't have that data yet, when will
12· ·it be available?· How soon can those who are interested
13· ·in those potential effects obtain it?· Did you hear the
14· ·question?
15· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· The wetlands data collection
16· ·will be started here in just a few weeks.· Okay.
17· · · · · · The way our process goes we start out with
18· ·centerline survey to establish where the corridor is.
19· ·And then the biological folks, the wetlands folks, the
20· ·cultural resources folks follow along after that
21· ·initial survey crew is established where the centerline
22· ·is.
23· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· You have the -- Excuse me, go
24· ·ahead.
25· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· So they'll be collecting that

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·1· ·data through the spring.· Sometime in the late spring I
·2· ·expect that we will have all of that collected.
·3· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· And this data collection will be
·4· ·done along your desired route?
·5· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Yes, because a part of this
·6· ·route, a part of this exercise may wind up leading to
·7· ·adjustments in the route.
·8· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· Correct.· When it comes to that
·9· ·if indeed you want to cross an area of special
10· ·interest, how open or amenable is Kinder Morgan to
11· ·working with landowners or persons who are concerned
12· ·about those areas to come up with an alternative?
13· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· We're always interested in
14· ·talking with people.· And, of course, there are a
15· ·number of factors that go into selecting a route and
16· ·determining what's involved in adjusting a route.
17· · · · · · I know it sounds kind of vague, but there's
18· ·always -19· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· It is.
20· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Yeah, because there's always a
21· ·number of issues there with other landowners being
22· ·willing for an adjustment, economic impact of that,
23· ·schedule impact of that.
24· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· Will that process be engaged
25· ·prior to or after the filing of the environmental
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·1· ·assessment?
·2· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· The route will have to be
·3· ·defined before we file.
·4· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· Okay.
·5· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· So sometime during probably
·6· ·late spring we'll have that.
·7· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· So how do we obtain that
·8· ·information?· As you generate it -- as you generate the
·9· ·data, how soon can we obtain that information from you?
10· ·Do we have to wait for the assessment?
11· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· The filings will be publicly
12· ·available documents.
13· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· One final question and I think
14· ·you should have this answer.· In regard to the desired
15· ·route, does the route pass to the east or to the west
16· ·of Springfield, Georgia?
17· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I'm going to have to plead
18· ·ignorance on that.· And if you want to wait until after
19· ·the meeting, I can identify that for you.
20· · · · · · MR. TAYLOR:· I would like that.· Thank you.
21· · · · · · MS. JONES:· Vera Jones, V-e-r-a, Jones,

23· · · · · · I do happen to be a commissioner for Effingham
24· ·County, and we have a couple here and our administrator
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·1· ·Effingham since we would like to work out a date for
·2· ·you guys to come.
·3· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Sure.
·4· · · · · · MS. JONES:· One of the things I wanted to ask
·5· ·was when planning the route, were you aware that we are
·6· ·trying to -- we have a long-term plan of an Effingham
·7· ·Parkway design.
·8· · · · · · And has that already been taken into
·9· ·consideration of your route of the gas line or has that
10· ·not been known and been a factor in working with the
11· ·DOT application in that?· I don't know.
12· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· I don't have personal knowledge
13· ·of that.· That's something I would like to explore
14· ·though with you folks.
15· · · · · · MS. JONES:· Okay.
16· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· And it certainly sounds like it
17· ·would be a great idea for us to get together -18· · · · · · MS. JONES:· To know about that.
19· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· -- with the commissioners.· And
20· ·not just that but just county concerns in general.
21· · · · · · MS. JONES:· Yeah.· We might be able to have
22· ·you at the next meeting possibly, I don't know, but the
23· ·administrator is here and he'd like to talk to you.
24· ·DOT will be at our offices tomorrow also as far as some
25· ·information to do with the parkway.· So I don't know if
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·1· ·somebody could meet.
·2· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Why don't we follow up after
·3· ·this breaks up.
·4· · · · · · MS. JONES:· Okay.
·5· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Thank you.
·6· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· Thank you.· I'm sorry, I don't
·7· ·mean to monopolize your time.· It's KC Allan.
·8· · · · · · So the certificate of need is kind of like the
·9· ·field of dreams.· Build it and they will come.· In
10· ·other words, all you have to prove to establish need is
11· ·that you have customers willing to pay during the open
12· ·season bid on whatever the tariff is going to be and
13· ·accept X amount of barrels along the way.
14· · · · · · But what I understand is that so you're
15· ·charging the pipeline tariff is 12 to 15 cents a barrel
16· ·whereas most of the eastern seaboard right now is
17· ·getting their oil delivered from Europe for 3 to 5
18· ·cents a barrel.· So I'm kind of puzzled as to how that
19· ·one of the touted advantages was this could bring
20· ·prices down.· Well, I don't know see how that's going
21· ·to work.
22· · · · · · And one of the other touted advantages were
23· ·hurricanes.· Well, you know, Louisiana, the gulf where
24· ·you start pumping this oil is as susceptible to
25· ·hurricanes as we are now.
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·1· · · · · · So for the 25,000 barrels out of 150 that
·2· ·you're going to be dropping off here is not going to
·3· ·help us with our pricing.· Right now Georgia and
·4· ·Florida are diminishing their usage of fossil fuels.
·5· ·So I'm puzzled as to what need you're actually meeting.
·6· · · · · · I do understand you may have a couple of in
·7· ·clients who are willing to pay more to get their oil
·8· ·this way in these two markets.· So really we are the
·9· ·customer and the need isn't us.· Is that correct?· I'm
10· ·sorry.· I don't know everything about commodities.
11· ·I've been trying to learn them.
12· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Good question.
13· · · · · · MR. FORE:· So we can discuss the overall need
14· ·for additional gas supply to the southeast.· What is
15· ·that?· How much is that?
16· · · · · · All we can specifically talk about is our
17· ·proposed project that from our analysis and our
18· ·commercial and business development team has enough
19· ·commitment on this line.· It's not if you build it they
20· ·will come.· That's just the opposite of what we do.
21· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· Okay.
22· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Some companies may do that.

I

23· ·don't see how they stay in business.· But we only build
24· ·if we have that commercial certainty, enough product to
25· ·ship through the line right now, not five years from
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·1· ·now, not two years from now, right now that is enough
·2· ·to justify investment in the project.
·3· · · · · · So what are the shippers using this particular
·4· ·product for, the amount they're dropping off to
·5· ·particular places?· We're getting it there for them and
·6· ·they've signed the commitments to pay the
·7· ·transportation charge to get it there.· That's how we
·8· ·justify the commercial aspect of the project.
·9· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· So Exxon is like a 51 percent
10· ·partner on the Plantation pipeline, is that correct,
11· ·with you?
12· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Actually, they're a little
13· ·under 49 percent.
14· · · · · · MS. ALLAN:· And you're 51.· So is this
15· ·possibly just Exxon making a play to expand their shelf
16· ·place?· I mean the pumps have to keep pumping.· The
17· ·refineries have to keep refining.
18· · · · · · Are they one of the customers for this
19· ·extension perhaps just, you know, in the wild?· I know
20· ·you can't mention names.· You can be stamp your hoof
21· ·once for yes and twice for no.
22· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Yeah, a couple more.
23· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· All right.· So the gentleman in
24· ·the back.· Have you made a comment yet?
25· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· I have not.
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·1· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Let me get to you after you.
·2· ·Excuse me.
·3· · · · · · MS. GRAINEY:· My name is Karen Grainey,
·4· ·G-r-a-i-n-e-y.·

· · · · · · I think that KC made a really good point that
·7· ·I don't think you really addressed because this is a
·8· ·certificate of public convenience and need, not just
·9· ·your private convenience as a private corporation
10· ·trying to make a lot of money and your clients who are
11· ·trying to make a lot of money shipping this stuff
12· ·through these pipelines.
13· · · · · · You're leaving out an important part of the
14· ·public here.· That's all the people here in this room.
15· ·And we want to know why we need this pipeline.· You've
16· ·decided that you need it, but we're not -- we know that
17· ·already because you're going to build it.· You think
18· ·you need this pipeline.· But you haven't convinced
19· ·anyone in this room that we need this pipeline.
20· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· All right.· I think the next
21· ·comment, sir, in the back.
22· · · · · · MR. TATE:· Yeah, I just wanted to point out
23· ·something for the record.· My name is Randy Tate.·

25· · · · · · Yeah.· I'd just like to point out that the

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·1· ·pipeline route goes through extremely sensitive habitat
·2· ·and a lot of conservation lands that there has been a
·3· ·big effort over the last many years to protect and
·4· ·preserve and manage properly.
·5· · · · · · Just the route of that pipeline, it goes
·6· ·through Lolly Farm grass habitat.· The wetlands are
·7· ·going to be enormous that it goes through.· The sand
·8· ·ridges on the east and north sides of the Altamahas and
·9· ·some of the other rivers are extremely sensitive,
10· ·important habitat.· You've got tortoise and you got
11· ·snake and several other rare and threatened species in
12· ·that area.
13· · · · · · There has just been a lot of public monies and
14· ·private monies put to or invested in the protection of
15· ·this area for the wildlife themselves and not for, you
16· ·know, for pipeline route.
17· · · · · · So I hope you really take that into account as
18· ·it goes through.· These areas need to be fire managed.
19· ·Fire is a major component in the ecosystems here, and
20· ·especially down when you get to the Okefenokee, that's
21· ·one of the wildfire prone areas in the country.
22· · · · · · And so it's -- I do have finally another
23· ·question.· Does this cross any public lands?· It must.
24· · · · · · MR. FORE:· I'm sure it does.
25· · · · · · MR. TATE:· Do you know where that will be?· It
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·1· ·looks like the Altamaha Wildlife Management Area is one
·2· ·of them.
·3· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Well, we're of course in
·4· ·contact with Fish and Wildlife, with the Wildlife
·5· ·Management folks.· I'm going to try to hit some of your
·6· ·points.
·7· · · · · · We're well aware of the endangered species.
·8· ·That's why we have biologists on staff who will be
·9· ·going out and will be working with the state agencies
10· ·on that.· And we're not interested in causing harm
11· ·there.· One of the techniques we use for crossing the
12· ·rivers nowadays is called horizontal directional
13· ·drilling.
14· · · · · · And it's something that quite frankly was an
15· ·outgrowth from the vertical drilling for quite awhile
16· ·since somebody smart figured out that you can actually
17· ·steer a drill bit nowadays in fact away from a river
18· ·and cross very deeply under it so that you don't impact
19· ·it.· And it's a lot less invasive than old traditional
20· ·open trench methods.· So it's a common practice that we
21· ·use now.
22· · · · · · Let's see, what did I forget?
23· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Public lands.
24· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Public lands, yes.· We do have
25· ·some public lands and, of course, we're working with
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·1· ·the folks.
·2· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Do you know which public lands?
·3· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Well, I'll have to follow up
·4· ·with you after on that.· I know that we do in South
·5· ·Carolina, we have a tremendous one in Sumter National
·6· ·Forest that we're working with.· In fact, those folks
·7· ·have been very good working with us.
·8· · · · · · The U.S. Forest Service, you guys may or may
·9· ·not know that you're not to take a motorized vehicle
10· ·through much of that forest off roadways.· And these
11· ·guys have been very good working with us and go ahead
12· ·and let us do foot surveys, noninvasive surveys through
13· ·those areas.
14· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· I'm sorry, who was that?
15· · · · · · MR. WILLIAMS:· Pardon?· U.S. Forest Service,
16· ·Sumter National Forest.· And that's the kind of effort
17· ·we like to have with these agencies.· We want to go in
18· ·early.· We've gone in early and talked to these folks
19· ·before we get out in these survey efforts.
20· · · · · · Okay.· And if you'd like specific follow-up,
21· ·we can do that with you after this meeting and get your
22· ·agency names.
23· · · · · · MR. FORE:· So kind of to wrap up the
24· ·discussion about the project from -- and I think we've
25· ·heard all across the spectrum today as we typically do
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·1· ·is, is there a need for the project itself, the big
·2· ·policy discussion about delivery of product to any part
·3· ·of the country of any kind of product down to the
·4· ·individual landowner here who had issues with his
·5· ·property and the railroad to everywhere in between, are
·6· ·we getting state lands, are we crossing through
·7· ·wetlands and the environmental assessments.
·8· · · · · · So we have to through this application process
·9· ·balance interests and do the best, define the best
10· ·route that is the least impactful fully understanding
11· ·that this is going to have impacts.· But the
12· ·landowner's concern is important as is the particular
13· ·environmental area.
14· · · · · · And I'll give a case on another project we're
15· ·working on in another part of the country.· We had a
16· ·meeting with about 20 different environmental
17· ·organizations and we were discussing where exactly the
18· ·route was going to go.
19· · · · · · And one of the members said at the end of the
20· ·three-hour meeting, well, we have an idea.· We'll all
21· ·get together, all of these interests that had
22· ·conservation easements and all different types of
23· ·things, and we'll find a route for you that avoids all
24· ·of our impacted areas that you can get through.
25· · · · · · So I said fine, we can do that if in the same
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·1· ·room is everybody you're going to shift the route on
·2· ·too.· So that's the balance that we have to look at.
·3· ·That's why this survey is so important.· That's why
·4· ·these next steps are so important.
·5· · · · · · The items that you all have brought up here
·6· ·tonight, at the end of the day we are proposing
·7· ·something that the regulators are going to approve or
·8· ·disapprove or adjust for us, so it's a process.
·9· · · · · · There's no easy answers and there's no one
10· ·route here like the battlefield, for example, that the
11· ·DOT brought out.· That surprised me too when I heard
12· ·that.· But it wasn't designed to go through.· I think
13· ·there's already existing infrastructure.
14· · · · · · But the point is identifying that or state
15· ·lands or other areas that from an initial high level
16· ·survey, desktop, flying the route, Google Earth, all
17· ·the different things that we use may look good
18· ·co-located next to something else.· It looks good at
19· ·the start.
20· · · · · · As we get on the ground, we find that it may
21· ·not be so good, and we'll find a route adjustment to
22· ·deal with that.· So that's the dialogue like the county
23· ·commissioner brought out plans that the county may have
24· ·for development.· It's very important that we
25· ·understand that.
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·1· · · · · · That's the kind of stuff we want to learn
·2· ·about here in the early stages because this is the time
·3· ·that we can make the adjustments.· It's not when we're
·4· ·ready to start construction.· It's now.· And that's why
·5· ·we're starting this process early and want to hear all
·6· ·of these different comments that are coming forward.
·7· · · · · · Okay.· And we'll be around here too for a
·8· ·while to talk one on one with folks.
·9· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· We're going to close off the
10· ·formal comment period.· And if you have individual
11· ·questions, feel free to come up afterwards and discuss
12· ·them.· Again, you're able to write in either with the
13· ·comment sheet or on your own initiative you're able to
14· ·write in your comments.
15· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· The newspaper is here.· She
16· ·wanted to ask a question.
17· · · · · · MR. FORE:· She can.· Yeah, that's fine.
18· · · · · · MS. LANDERS:· So I wanted to clarify is this a
19· ·public hearing?
20· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· So this is a public hearing.
21· ·It's a public hearing.· I'm sorry.
22· · · · · · MS. LANDERS:· Okay.· So when it was legally
23· ·advertised, it was not termed a public hearing.· It was
24· ·termed an open house, and I've been to open houses that
25· ·Kinder Morgan has hosted previously.· They were not
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·1· ·public hearings.
·2· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· Okay.· This is an odd process
·3· ·that has to do with the State regulations.· Okay.· So
·4· ·the way that the regulations are set up they ask Kinder
·5· ·Morgan to host a public hearing in which they have an
·6· ·actual record keeper in order to record those comments.
·7· · · · · · So it is like a town hall meeting.· It is like
·8· ·the open house that we're talking about except a formal
·9· ·record is being kept, and that is what makes it a
10· ·public hearing.· So these comments will be submitted
11· ·formally to the DOT.· They'll be considered by the DOT.
12· · · · · · Kinder Morgan will consider them and work with
13· ·the DOT and work with commenters about those comments,
14· ·and that is the public aspect of this process.· And if
15· ·you're befuddled by it, it's because we haven't seen
16· ·any other statements this way.
17· · · · · · This is the way that this particular
18· ·regulation is set up, and it will be different than the
19· ·EPD process later on.· There will be hearings as well
20· ·in that process, but the EPD itself will be hosting
21· ·those.· And so it will feel more like a formal public
22· ·hearing as you might expect.
23· · · · · · MS. LANDERS:· And is this the first time this
24· ·has happened under Georgia law?
25· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· This is the second time that it's
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·1· ·happened under Georgia law.
·2· · · · · · MS. LANDERS:· Okay.· Got it.
·3· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· The last time was in the 2005
·4· ·pipeline, 2005 2006.
·5· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· Is the construction of this
·6· ·pipeline a foregone conclusion regardless of what comes
·7· ·out of these meetings?
·8· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Well, from the company
·9· ·perspective -- from the company perspective we have to
10· ·secure the appropriate permits.
11· · · · · · If we secure the permits and in our evaluation
12· ·from the proposal that we have made and our analysis of
13· ·the regulatory requirements, the commercial
14· ·requirements, those are the two pieces, commercial and
15· ·regulatory, that we fully examine before ever
16· ·announcing a public project, we're confident we can.
17· · · · · · But we still have to get them.· We don't have
18· ·anything today that allows us to do anything.· We've
19· ·got to go through the processes that the State of
20· ·Georgia, the State of South Carolina, the State of
21· ·Florida set forth and meeting also the federal
22· ·standards and the federal agencies involved.
23· · · · · · I think what you were talking about too is the
24· ·FERC process.· It's different for our natural gas
25· ·systems we have here for our Elba project where we have
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·1· ·a required open house, that is, a company sponsored
·2· ·open house, a little different regulatory scheme for
·3· ·natural gas projects governed by the Federal Regulatory
·4· ·Commission.· But we will pursue the project if we get
·5· ·the appropriate permits.
·6· · · · · · THE AUDIENCE:· One thing to make clear, and
·7· ·correct me if I'm wrong, because I think this is an
·8· ·important thing because they're asking if it's a
·9· ·foregone conclusion.
10· · · · · · But one of the points that you're making is
11· ·it's early enough right now if certain things are
12· ·determined that certain pieces of the route can be
13· ·adjusted.· So it's not like exactly what we're looking
14· ·at is exactly what's going to happen.· Some things,
15· ·changes can come from these types of meetings.
16· · · · · · MR. FORE:· Absolutely.· We've identified early
17· ·what we believe to be from the best available data that
18· ·we have that this is a good route, particularly because
19· ·of the co-location piece.· That's the big piece.· We've
20· ·got to get to areas to service our customers, and
21· ·co-location is a big part of any siting process.
22· · · · · · So we think we have identified a good route.
23· ·Can we make it better?· Yes.· And that will happen
24· ·through dialogue from individual landowner concerns and
25· ·other stakeholders.
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·1· · · · · · MR. MUTTER:· I think with that we're going to
·2· ·close it down and have just informal comments.· Again,
·3· ·you can submit other written comments as well.· Thank
·4· ·you for your time.· Thank you for coming out tonight.
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·COUNTY OF CHATHAM:
· · · · · ·I hereby certify that the foregoing
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· · · · · I further certify that I am not a relative or
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· · · · · This the 10th day of March 2015.

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y'all 18:17 22:24
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