1987 FDNY Engine Company Test

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An informal FDNY test comparing the time taken by four- and five-member engine companies to perform basic firefighting tasks.

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FIRE DEPARTMENT
FIRE ACADEMY
Randalls Island
New York. N.Y. 10035 Telephone: (212) 860-9200
April 10 1987
Brian J. Clinton Chief of Training
Vincent Dunn Deputy Chief
CONCLUSIONS AND REc:n1MENDATIONS OF PHASE NUMBER 2 CRE'i SIZE STUDY
CONDUCTED APRIL 8, 9, AND 10, 1987
Due to time limitations the protect team was unable to conduct multiple
hose stretches to obtain a broad range of hose stretch times. ­
At these 4 tests when the hose stretch team was reduced 20 percent, the
hose stretch time was increased approximately 50 to 75 percent.
(Pump operator included in hose stretch team)
These test facilities and criteria have been documented and recorded so
they can be duplicated to verify the times obtained at these 4 tests.
Yne physiological effects of hose stretching should be measured at
future tests.
Firefighters. used in these tests of hose stretches were younger than
the. average firefighter and in better physical condition than the
average firefighter.
Firefighters from companies should be used in hose stretch tests. The
times should be compared to times recorded by probationary firefighters
hose stretch tests.
Simultaneous hose stretches should be test.ed, recorded Visually and
timed. "
Future testing should be conducted at Building ;1, Division of Training
when probationary firefighters become available.
Respectfully submitted,

Vincent /L ,
Deputy Chief, Division 3
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Test Sitk and Hose Stretch Requirements
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Note: A. Line to 5th floor 2 1/2" hose stretched to entrance door
of' Building 111.
B. Line to floor (roof of building #1) 2 1/2" hose
into stair-....ay.
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Note:
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Start of test
End of test
Note:
2· lengths of 1 3/11" hose p.11led up onto floor landing. 5th
floor or 6th floor (roof)
Line to 5th floor 5 lengths 2 1/2" and 5 lengths 1 3/4' FT2
nozzle.
Line to 6th floor (roof) 6 lengths 2 1/211 and 5 lengths of
1 3/4" 15/16" nozzle.
241 feet from hydra.'I'lt to front door of Building #1 plus 43 feet
height to 5th floor 53 feet to 6th floor.
Hose """as stretched around stair railing. There was no "well
hole" in stair'way. This similar to conditions in stairs of
"En type apartment house. :There are no well hole in starways of
"En type apartments.

Bose stretching equipment

Line to 5th floor (Bed left side faCing rear of

1. 5 lengths 2 1/2" hose.
2. 5 1 3/4" hose.
3. FT2 nozzle.
4. Reducer 2 1/2" x 1 3/4".
5. One 1000 G?M punl'per.
6. Hydrant 4 1/2" x 3" 10 ft. length.
Line stretched to 6th floor (roof of building (Bed right
side facing rear of pumper)
1. 6 2 1/2" hose.
2. 5 lengths 1 hose.
3. 15"/16" nozzle .
.11. Reducer 2 1/2" x 1 3/4"
5. One 1000 GPH pumper.
6. Hydrant connection 4 1/2" x 3" (10 ft. length)
All hose placed in hcse bed with department folds, except for the
first one and a half lengths of 1 3/4", were placed in donut
roll with nozzle on top. .
Time interval of hose stretch test
- When pumper comes to complete stop at hydrant.
- When effective continuous hose stream is directed out 5th
floor window or frem roof of Building 4:1 •.
testing should be done, to include simulation of nozzle
firefighter adva.'I'lcing nozzle 50 feet into fire area. This test does
not the nozzle and hoseline advance.
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Positioo of Cr'e'Jl size protect team m.anbers during each bose stretch test
1. Fire floor observer (5th floor or roof) - BC Devine
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2. Stairway observer - Be Spillane
3. Time keeper - BC Lee
4. GroUnd level in front of test - Capt. Turi
5. Pumper and hydrant observer - Lt. Sheerin
6. Overall observer - DC Dunn
Selection of firefighter to stretch hose
·6' .
1. 20 firefighters group into
A. Nozzle firefighter 5
B. Back up firefighter 5
C. 3rd firefighter (door) 5
D. Control firefighter 5
2. Pump operator was a qualified from Division of Training.
6. were trained on April S, 1987 to stretch requirements of
test site in Building 7 practise hose stretches were done with
firefighters to prepare them for video test stretches done on April 8,
1981.
1. Positions of firefighters for q firefighter stretch was:
3.
a hose stretch team fonned, nozzle firefighter was
the group of 5 nozzle firefighters; when backup firefighter
for hose stretch, he picked from the group of 5 backup
firefighters; etc.
4. Firefighters .picked from group randomly.
-c height of firefiahter was recorded.
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Nozzle firefighter.
Backup firefighter.
Door firefighter.
Control firefighter.
picked
picked
8. Positions of firefighters for 3 firefighter stretch was _
#1. Nozzle firefighter
#2. Back-up firefighter
#3. Control firefighter
Note: In three firefighter stretch #3 man was eliminated. Control
firefighter and backup firefighter assumed duties of absent #3
firefighter. Control firefighter was given #3 position. (This is
according to Department Procedures.)
Conditions of hose stretching which the test did not record:
1. Physical condition of firefighter each test.
2. Environment a hazardous vacant building.
3. Environment of a stairway with people evacuating building in panic.
4. Parked cars in street and double parked cars.
5. Fire apparatus of ladder companies and engine companies poSitioned for
use in front of fire building.
6. Smoke reducing visibility in street or stairway.
7. Night time darkness.
8. Snow or ice conditions.
9.- Forcible entry into lobby vestibule door.
10. Summer high temperatures (weather was between 40 and 50 degrees)
Hose stretch tests conducted on April 8, 1987 was recorded on video tape.
Test #1
A. A 3 firefighter hose stretch to 5th floor.
B. 5 lengths 2 1/2" and 5 lengths 1 3/4"; FT2 nozzle.
C. Firefighter prbfile Age Height
Nozzle firefighter #1 27 6'2" 250
Backup firefighter #2 24 5 '10 It
210
Control firefighter #3 28 6' 185
D. Time - 10 minutes 23 seconds.
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Weight
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A. A 4 firefighter hose stretch to 5th floor.
B. 5 lengths 2 1/211 and 5 lengths 1 3/4 II: Ft 2 Nozzle
C. Firefighter profile' Age Height Weight
Nozzle firefighter #1 26 6'111
18S
Backuo firefighter #2 24 5'10"
185
Door firefighter #3 26 6
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175
'Control firefighter #4 29 6'
215
D. Time - 5 minutes 50 seconds.
Test #2
A. A 3 firefighter hose stretch to 6th floor (roof
B. 6 lengths 2 1/2" and 5 leru,sths '·...3/4", 15/16 Nozzle-
C. Firefighter profile Age Height W
Nozzle firefighter #1 29 6'
Backup firefighter #2 28 5'10"
Door firefighter #3 28 6
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D. Time - 11 minutes 59 seconds
Test #4
A. A firefighter hose stretch to 6th floor (roof of bldg.
B. 6 lengths 2 1/2" and 5 lengths 1 15/16 nozzle.
C. Firefighter profile Age Height
Nozzle firefighter if1 24 5 '10"
Backup firefighter fF2 24 5 '10"
Door firefighter #3 28 6'
Control firefighter #4 33 5'9
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D. Time - 7 minutes 55 seconds.
Voice over for each test video
A. Before test voice over
1. State test fF
2. State number of. firefighter used in stretch; nU!!lber of 2 1/2"
lengths: number of 1 3/411 hose lengths: and type nozzle.
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3. State when test will start and when test will be ended. (From
comolete stoo of Dumoer until continuous effective hose stream
shoWs out of'test·bu1lding.)
4. State profile of firefighter at each position.
Age Height 'vleight
Nozzle firefighter #1
Backup #2
Door firefighter #3
Control #4
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During test voice over
"The test has now started" when pumper is seen coming to complete stop.
"The test is ended" when continuous water stream is seeh cOming out of
building.
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