2010Dec2 - Howard Griswold Conference Call

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Howard Griswold Conference Call—Thursday, December 2, 2010 Partial Howard Griswold Conference calls: 218-844-3388 pin 966771# (6 mutes & un-mutes), Thursday’s at 8 p.m., Eastern Time. ‘6’ Mutes and un-mutes

Conference Call is simulcast on:
www.TheREALPublicRadio.Net Starting in the first hour at 8 p.m.

Note: there is a hydrate water call Monday’s, same time and number and pin #. Howard’s home number: 302-875-2653 (between 9:30, a.m, and 7:00, p.m.)
Mickey’s debt collection call is 8:00 p.m., Eastern Time, Wednesday night. The number is 712 – 432 – 8773 and the pin number is 947975#.

All correspondence to: Gemini Investment Research Group, POB 398, Delmar, Del. 19940 (do not address mail to ‘Howard Griswold’ since Howard has not taken up residence in that mailbox and since he’s on good terms with his wife he isn’t likely to in the foreseeable future.) "All" Howard's and GEMINI RESEARCH's information through the years, has been gathered, combined and collated into 3 "Home-Study Courses" and "Information packages" listed at www.peoples-rights.com "Mail Order" DONATIONS and/or Toll-Free 1-877-544-4718 (24 Hours F.A.Q. line) Dave DiReamer can be reached at: [email protected] Peoples-rights has a new book available from The Informer: Just Who Really Owns the United States, the International Monetary Fund, Federal Reserve, World Bank, Your House, Your Car, Everything—the Myth and the Reality. He’ll take $45 for the book to help with ads, but $40 would be ok which includes shipping ($35 barebones minimum) www.peoples-rights.com c/o 1624 Savannah Road, Lewes, Delaware 19958 ********************

Christian Walters (trusts) is on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays (8 pm) and Saturdays at nine o’clock, Eastern Time. The number is 1-712-432-0075 and the pin is 917030# (9 pm). Wednesday’s number is 1-724-444-7444 and the pin is 41875# (8 pm, Eastern).

Often you can find a transcript or a partial one for the week’s call at the following website:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peoplelookingforthetruth ******************************************************************* When you aren’t talking please mute your phone!! It would be best if you mute your phone when you first come on, then un-mute it when you want to talk and then re-mute it. You can use the *6 button on your phone or use the phone’s mute button Speaker phones and cell phones are not desirable as they can chop up the call badly occasionally. If you are recording the call and leave the phone unintended, please mute!!!!!

Note, on October 30th, 2009 & August 5th, 2010 someone left the phone un-muted and coupled television audio into the phone making the conference call conversations very difficult.
When you are not muted be careful of making noise such as breathing hard into the phone’s microphone or rubbing the mouthpiece or not reducing extraneous noise across the room. Cell phones can pick up wind noise when used outside and also if not in a primary reception zone can couple noise into the call. Excessive echoes and noise will terminate the conference call. Cell phones and speaker phones can cause echoes. Keep the call quiet, don’t make Howard climb out of his mailbox and bop you one. ******************************************************************* Note: the telephone lines are usually quite noisy and therefore it would be prudent to slow your speech down otherwise your words and meaning will be lost. Suggestion to everyone (even Howard): Get a phone with a privacy or mute button. This is much more convenient than star-6 and more rapid to use. It can also be used as a cough button since it can be used rapidly. Try it, you’ll like it. ********************************************************************* Mickey’s new call-in number: 1-712-432-8787, pin: 170555# 8 p.m, EST ****************************************

A recording of each Howard Griswold Thursday conference call is available from Dezert Owl upon request for any sized donation. Go to the following link: www.TheRealPublicRadio.Net/Archives.html .
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. . . { 02:03:12.862} [Howard] …Ninety-nine percent of the crap that’s out there on the internet is wrong, at least the patriot stuff, is wrong unfortunately. And it’s only wrong because the people don’t research the law. The e-mail site called People Looking for the Truth (yahoo group) is either going to be totally controlled by me and there won’t be any postings by anybody but me or it’s going to be shut down—one or the other—because of this kind of bull crap information. Ok, now that I got that part out of the way more bull crap information but it came from a guy who had come up with a fantastic idea and I got to give him credit. And I think somebody said his name is David Clarence and this idea of firing the executor/administrator is half right but he’s on the right track, he’s going in the right direction. I wish somebody would have him get in touch with me. We got some research here that will help what’s doing that will put this together and really finalize it for him. I was on this track but not the idea of removing the trustee—I wasn’t going that far. I don’t think David Clarence understands that the administrator/executor/guardian/ward, all those names or terms that are used to identify somebody who is controlling your property for you is actually the name of a person that is a trustee. There is a form that has to be followed in order to be recognized for removal of the trustee and it doesn’t match what he’s doing. What he’s doing is upsetting the apple cart right now. It looks like it’s doing good. At least there’s some reports—I don’t know how true the reports are—but there’s some reports that it’s done very well in quite a few different situations. And it will for a while until they get their heads together on the evil side and decide that, ‘hey, wait a minute, he didn’t follow the rules. Being that he didn’t follow the rules and he didn’t use the procedures that we use and he didn’t use the forms that we use we don’t have to recognize what he’s doing,’ and then it’ll stop. I’d like to show him what I have found in the forms, somewhere around here, and I can’t seem to dig it out yet. In some pile of information I’ve got the forms for the removal of the trustee. We have to remove the government at the federal level, the state level, and the political subdivisions of the states, city, county, town governments as trustees. And the retaliation by us in this so-far cold war—we’re not really shooting at one another yet so it’s still a cold war. And hopefully we can stop it from coming to a shootout, I don’t think we can, but I hope we can. It can be done by a retaliation by the people independently and individually. Now, this is only going to help each individual that’s in some kind of a situation that wants to get out of it. The call that you got about the guy that’s in jail—we could probably terminate the jail as well as the state and the attorneys and everybody involved in the state that put him in jail as trustees and once we did they’d have to let him out of the jail. This would destroy their ability to continue controlling your property. Now, your property starts with your body. They have control over your body because it was registered with a birth certificate and this is where the security agreement that Dave talks about so much comes into play. You must have a secured interest in your property starting with your body, your labor, your land, your automobile and all other chattels like your puppy dogs and guns and everything else should be listed—not too many if any guns, though. You got to be careful listing guns then you’re telling them what kinds of guns you got—it’s really better to leave them off. But every other thing that they have

control over by registration was created, believe or not, by what the law book says is a constructive trust. The law of constructive trusts says, whenever you give property to another person to hold by operation of law it creates a constructive trust. The person holding the property then is a trustee. You are the settler of the trust, the creator of it. And as the settler or creator you’re also the beneficiary of that trust. And the law of trusts puts certain rules and regulations on the conduct of a trustee. And whenever that trustee doesn’t follow those rules and regulations and does something that is adverse to the benefit of the beneficiary then he has breached the trust. Now, what I was thinking about doing was putting together lawsuits for breach of the trust. Well, like I said earlier about the balls that the American people have, they ain’t got much if they got any. The don’t feel competent to go into these courts and file lawsuits and follow them through. And, really, I can’t blame you much. It’s very complicated. There’s a lot of study involved in the procedures and the rules and everything else. It’s extremely hard to do that and be successful. A few people could—most couldn’t. So, that this fellow, David Clarence, has come up with is in the right direction. This is very simple. You don’t have to go to court. As a matter of fact in the last couple of days I was studying in Scott on Trusts that you can terminate the trustee for good cause. Now, the good cause has to be a breach of the trust so rather than make a lawsuit for breach of the trust there are already cases established that state that once the trust is breached that it can be terminated and the trustee can be removed. Well, if you remove them they lose all power. And I think what David Clarence has been doing has already proven that. As a matter of fact, I think Ron is on the phone tonight and Ron used it in the court verbally and he walked out of the court free. I mean, he’s done great and this can be taken a lot further if we just know the rest of these details that I’ve been looking up on constructive trusts. The other thing is that the government is a public trust. It has always been identified in history as a public trust. As a matter of fact, let me give you a little of information that I’ve picked up here on something that can be done in addition to terminating them as a trust and terminating or removing them as a trustee and that is that you can bring an action if you got the balls to do this against any one of these corporations. The police department is incorporated. If they’re a bunch of hoodlums and they’re violating the public trust bring an action to revoke their corporate charter. If the lawyers and their BAR association which is a corporate—every one of them is incorporated with either an LLC or an LLP or a corporation. Well, they all are basically the same thing—they’re fictions. Some of them do it under trusts, but very rarely do they do it under a trust. But even a trust is a fiction. The government is a fiction. It is in a trust position as a fictional trust organization with duties to protect us as beneficiaries. And if you read the preamble to the Constitution it lays out their duties as trustees to protect us. Very clearly they’re supposed to create armies to defend us against any invasion. They’re supposed to maintain the welfare, by God. I’m sure people don’t know what that word means. They think it’s a window you go to once a month on Friday night and pick up your check called welfare checks. Maintaining the welfare meant to maintain the commerce in such a fashion that the welfare of the individual was highly protected. That’s what they meant by that and that is not what government is doing. Government has gotten away from its original intent. I have never been antigovernment and I’m still not anti-government—I’m just anti-corruption. And there were ways. As a matter of fact, listen to this. In fact, the American Revolution was an attempt to overthrow the type of corporate power broking that we see every day in contemporary

America. Virginia was an English corporation. North Carolina was created by an English corporation. Maryland was chartered the same way, exactly the same manner on each one of them. The East India Company was the corporation that plundered much of the Western Hemisphere in its search for valuable resources and goods and it was an English corporation. As Grossman succinctly states, the colonists did not make a revolution over a tax on tea as the history tells us. They fought for many reasons but chiefly to create a nation where citizens were the government and ruled the corporations. That’s the opposite today, isn’t it? So even as Americans were routing the king’s armies they vowed to put corporations under democratic command. {See, Gangs of America, by Ted Nace} Well, it looks like what happened is the corporations have taken over democracy instead of democracy controlling the corporations like was originally intended. {Thanks a lot, Thomas Scott, who bribed the Pennsylvania legislature and removed the safeguards on corporations and then ran the war for his henchman, Abraham Lincoln and then he bought up the Southern railroads after the war.} This article goes on to say that the attorney general frequently exercised his power to revoke the charters of corporations. In fact, up until 1940 in many states corporate charter revocation actions were commonplace. Not just small corporations were subject to revocations. The sugar trust, a corporation combined to control sugar prices, was dissolved in 1890. The Standard Oil Corporation was subject to charter revocation suit in the State of Washington in 1934. Throughout the 1800s and early 20th century the quo warranto power remained a powerful tool through which dissolving a corporation that had not obeyed the law or had violated the public trust was used to dispose of these corporations. Now, it is not necessary to create a trust of your own. It’s not a bad idea but it’s not necessary because your trust—and I said this and, boy, did I make a lot of people angry especially with that group up in Cleveland at that time where I brought this all up because they were selling trusts and this got in their way. But I’m telling you that creating trusts for people does not overpower the public trust and it does not overpower the constructive trust that was created by you registering your property and giving it to the state or any other government agency to hold for you such as birth certificate registrations, land deed registrations, social security registrations, puppy dog registrations and gun registrations and business license registrations for private little business activities. None of this stuff is required by law and it can’t be required by law. It is all a breach of the public trust to make you record and register these different things with government because government has no right to take private property for public use without just compensation. So they are breaching the public trust in every one of these types of conduct that they are executing by requiring the American people to give their property over by registration to the government. That is a breach of the trust. That is sufficient evidence to remove them as the trustee and terminate the trust. Enough people doing this will shut it down. They don’t have to go revoke the charter of these corporations if enough people do it. But if we attack it from both directions and I’ve got the forms here and the complete explanation if anybody’s interested on how to generate a suit to revoke the charter of a corporation whether it be the county government corporation, the police department corporation, the fire department corporation—because they’re a bunch of thugs, too today—they help the damned police. I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to get rid of the fire department but you might go after them. The health department corporation, the social service corporation, any one of these things can be terminated and done away with because every one of them is violating the public policy. And the basic concept of the public policy comes back to what

we’ve talked about for years—private property—and their interference in the use and enjoyment of your private property. We can attack this from both of those directions and I definitely—I don’t know who knows David Clarence—but get in touch with him and ask him if he’ll get in touch with me. I’d love to get with him and show him some of what I’ve got here from our studies and help him to make this a little bit stronger or at least a lot stronger than what he’s already doing. He’s got a couple of misconstrued ideas. He thinks that it’s an estate and only an estate and he doesn’t understand that an estate has to be in somebody hands and that thing has to be something, either fictional or real. He doesn’t seem to understand that the capital letter spelling of the name is not just an estate, but it’s a corporation. Delaware, Title 8, corporations. The general corporation law, for instance— listen to this very closely. The certificate of incorporation shall set forth the name of the corporation which shall contain one of the words, association, company, corporation, club, foundation, fund, incorporated, institute, society, union, syndicate or limited or abbreviations thereof with or without punctuations because the law doesn’t care about punctuations. So that throws all this punctuation crap the patriot communities throwing around right out the window, doesn’t it? They don’t care about punctuations or words or abbreviations thereof of like import of foreign countries or jurisdictions provided that they are written in Roman characters or letters. Now, if you go on the internet and Google Roman alphabet you will find a fantastic little dossier on Roman alphabet and it tells you that Roman characters or letters are always capital letters. So the capital letter spelling of your name imports the concept of a corporation and there has to be something that has that property and it’s this fiction corporation in all capital letters spelled in a name that’s similar to yours because the letters are the same they’re just written the same way. They’re written in all capital letters to emphasize the fact that it’s a corporate fiction. That corporate fiction is not moving and doing anything because you’re not moving it so it’s dead. You’re not dead. They’re not considering that you’re dead. They don’t want you dead. They want this corporation fiction to stay around and you to keep making money and paying taxes and being able to go through the corporation to you to collect all the money. It’s a real neat fraud put together by these same kind of people that the article that Dave just read was talking about. It’s a way to destroy the wealth of the American people and they’ve done a great job of it for years because we’ve not seen the truth. We’ve not understand what they’re doing. We’ve not understood that a lawyer is a lying scheming thief, that he’s stealing your property by forcing you to register your private property when they had no right to make you register your private property. We didn’t see that. We’re beginning to learn it and it’s starting to come out and something can be done about it. Remove them as the trustee. You can terminate the trust at will if you’re the settler or the beneficiary. You don’t need to go to court and ask a court to do it for you. That’s not necessary. Your…does it because you created it, you’re the one that can dissolve it. You got to claim your property back and you do that through the security agreement and then you control your property and there’s no dead fiction that they can utilize to administer the estate on. David Clarence is on the right track. I mean he’s going in the right direction. He needs a little bit more information to see how this all fits together. If you have any questions write them to Gemini Investments, PO Box 398, Delmar, Delaware 19940.

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