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Vajiram GS: Is it worth
Long Queues for admission in October for GS PCM batch….
A huge crowd gathering around Vajiram and Ravi…..
Astronomical fees, but still people willing to join as it's considered the
best institute for GS…
As a student, I encountered the same things two years back when I
came from Chennai to Delhi. Though the fees was too high compared to
institutes at other places, I joined as everyone said it is the best. But the
reality that I faced was totally different what I call as the height of
economic, educational and social corruption.
I list down the facts for all the three and leave it to you to decide
whether you should join or not.
Economic Corruption:
I wanted to pay by cheque from my salary account of Chennai.
Throughout my education, I have paid my fees through cheque. But
here, Mr Ravindran, Director refused to accept even a local cheque!!!
They accepted only draft or cash. It's very obvious that no one would
pay draft as for a figure of around Rs 55000 (GS + Optional), the
commission is enormous. So everyone would prefer to pay by cash….
And here is where the corruption starts.
After paying cash, they give you a manual receipt (and not a
computerized or printed..). And, they take back this receipt after the
commencement of the class in lieu of the identity card that they issue.
Thus, students have no proof of any cash payment and clearly, it is the
fuelling of black money economy. There is every reason to believe that
the money they receive is possibly unaccounted.
The infrastructural facilities there are so bad that it looks like a
madhouse. The classes take place in the basement of a building that has
been declared unsafe from MCD in view of the building by- laws. That
means, it can crumble any time. If it happens, it could be the greatest
mishap as there is only one small exit from the class room and no
emergency exit there. Plus, being in the basement, there is no
ventilation and the situation becomes horrible when the light goes
(which normally happens in Delhi) and the AC is switched off. Just
imagine… 300 students sitting in a hotch- potch conditions with no
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ventilation and immense humidity and heat….. Yes,. this is the
condition that we faced during almost whole six months. But we
tolerated all just with a belief that whatever we were taught was going
to be useful. But this too was utter false
Educational Corruption
Now coming to what they teach.. just a minute. Do they really teach? If
you think dictating or making you write the material is teaching then
yes, they teach. They only make you write and write like a donkey and
nothing else, just piling up and making your life difficult. Secondly, in
polity, Mr Ravindran dictates at such a fast speed that you end up with
a bad hand- writing and not able to read what u wrote finally. And what
a stupid reason Ravindran gives… Listen. "Instead of me walking along
with you, you start running with me. By the end of the class you will
develop speed for mains.". Disgusting. Mains Exam requires a speed of
just 16- 18 words per minute. But here, they make you write at a speed
of 40 wpm. My goodness…, a good portion of his lectures are often
missed by the students.
In almost all the subjects, the material is out of focus. Ravindran
teaches polity like Political Science. You just can't figure out what you
should write out of his material when a question appears. Finally, he
flatly blames the students for not having been able to do so.
Geography starts with Physical Geography. With due respect to Mr
Manocha, you can easily figure out after a few class what kind of
character he has. He teaches so much of irrelevant physical geography
from either mains or prelims point of view that students start getting
frustrated after seeing the actual UPSC paper. I bet if you can answer
any of the UPSC questions after attending his lectures. The last
portions are taken very hurriedly mainly by giving photocopied
material.
In history, situation is equally worse. They teach you the entire history
without telling you how to tackle the questions. The Modern history
teacher reads out the questions in the class but never explains how to
answer. He also only makes you write the entire history. But the most
dismal issue is- there is no time management in history. The modern
History teacher started with Ancient History. When he reached
Medieval, another Ancient History Professor started coming. After a
few days, a Medieval History teacher started coming and believe me,
those were focusless boring lecture. As a result, Modern History
teacher took the medieval portions hurriedly and started Modern
History. But by that time, it was too late, and he could not cover even
upto 1942 properly before the Prelims. He took the rest of the classes
after prelims, but what was the use???
In Economy, Kathuria Sir was good in teaching, Historybut I could not
find any of his material or questions coming in the Prelims. So what
was the use? There was a young teacher called Gangadhar, a highly
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egoist person who claimed to be an IFS and was taking the agriculture
and external sector in Indian economy. It was hopeless beyond even
expectations.
There was not even a single current affairs class before
prelims . How pathetic!! when the area covers 50% of the GS prelim
paper.
It is my objective assessment that in no subject of GS, there is any
outstanding teaching . I simply wasted my money but the more
precious things that I wasted were my time and energy which I can
never recover back.
Social Corruption
Now a question arises, why at all the students take admission in
Vajiram inspite of poor infrastructural facilities and astronomical fees?
The place is situated in a crowded market and there is no reading room
either.
Plus, the local population there is the migrants from North East
frontier who came here during partition. Needless to say, in the
absence of the institute providing any accommodation facilities, we
have to stay as renters in the local people's premises at their mercy
Needless to say, they charge exorbitant rents and their behaviour
towards outsiders especially south Indians is very exploiting and
discriminatory.
Inspite of that, I chose to stay there for six terrible months with a hope
that I am doing a good job for my career.
I mugged up each and every word that I wrote in the class notes and
the questions they had given. But to my utter discontent , not even a
single direct question came from their notes. I am not exaggerating. It's
a fact. The result was, I, along with many, could not clear PT- 2006.
There was hopelessness and despair all around.
Now let me bluntly raise a point. Most of the students go there
with a hope that the questions they give are 'important' from
prelims point of view and the questions asked in UPSC are
based on what they teach. THIS IS TOTALLY FALSE BEYOND
ANY DOUBT.
And finally, the behaviour of their staff is too indifferent, insensitive
and pathetic. there is no direct number where you can call and get Mr
Ravindran and the staff is normally reluctant to transfer line to him In
these two years, I could never get Mr Ravindran on telephone. Just the
way you have to meet a bureaucrat, you have to wait in a long queue of
students to meet him and yes, his attitude is also truly bureaucratic in
nature
So friends, you all must be thinking who I am and why I am doing this
negative publicity of an institute. Well folks, I am an unsuccessful 2006
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candidate who cleared prelims this year and writing mains this
October- November. I do not intend to create any negative publicity of
Vajiram. I just want to warn the students of the consequences I faced.
I am also not an agent of any other coaching institute. Otherwise, I'd
have made some positive publicity of that institute as well. I am just a
simple individual, who treats IAS aspirants a community. And if you
can spend some time and energy in writing this blog without any
monetary cost, what's the harm? I have anyways wasted thousands of
hrs in hopeless classes and millions of Joules of energy already.
So folks, if you have a lot of money, time and energy to waste and you
are not serious in clearing prelims in one attempt, then
Please Join Vajiram
N Karthiga
[email protected]
POSTED BY KARTHI GA AT 10:11 PM
1 32 COMMENTS:
jyoti said...
you are very correct ............i had similar experience with
geography..........the teacher mr shabbir is a third class failure
who throws tantrums then and now and even does not provide
basic notes...he covers only 11-12 topics out of 20...........though
i have been selected for civil services ..........i consider him the
main factor behind my failure in my first attempt
SEPTEMBER 17, 2007 AT 12:07 PM
Amit said...
Well Mr. Karthiga !
Your blog is an eye-opener for me.
Most of my seniors and classfellows always advised me that if I
am going to take any coaching class in Delhi, that should be
Vajiram & Ravi only.
But since I belong to lower middle-class, I couldn't manage to
arrange the fees anytime.
With your blog, What I understand that it is only one's hard
work and vision to answer questions meticulously and withing
time and word-limit frame which can lead to the success and
there may not be any need of any coaching classes to pass
UPSC's Civil Services Examination.
Even, I read some blogs before in which those who have faced
interview of CS examination had mentioned that UPSC
interviewers can guess by your answering that from where you
did the coaching and preparation for the interview. It lead me
to think that one should be original and that could be happen
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only when one reads from all the available sources but explain
it from his own genuine thoughts.
My Best wishes to you for the Civil Services (Mains)!!
SEPTEMBER 18, 2007 AT 5:18 AM
Pawan said...
Mr Karthiga,
Best of luck for your mains!
I can feel your feelings. But Please tell me where to take the
coaching then as it has become a necessary evil. I am a
govt.officer going to delhi on leave for 5 months. I have only
one chance to do the coaching. Do suggest the best modus
operandi to clear the most prestigious exams. I am In second
level of preparation i.e.have read all basic books. Thanks in
anticipation.
SEPTEMBER 20, 2007 AT 9: 38 PM
Cé$âr said...
Quite castigating. Good luck.
SEPTEMBER 23, 2007 AT 8: 44 PM
yuman said...
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SEPTEMBER 26, 2007 AT 11: 40 PM
yuman said...
Yes Karthiga most of the coaching institutes in delhi are
charging exorbitantly and they are worthy of nothing, totally
bullshit . they fool u
No doubt our money is making them rich.
Vajiram ,, intereactions, als , etc etc are fooling people around .
Please make more and more people aware with ur blog
and good luck for mains man ...
SEPTEMBER 26, 2007 AT 11: 45 PM
sarvjeet said...
You might be right to an extent,but,you can't deny the fact that
teachers like Kathuria,Shukla,Sanjeev Verma and others are a
treat to study from.They've helped me build an insight into the
subjects.Who cares about getting direct questions,u can always
mug up so many prelims specific books available in the market.
Anyway,good luck for mains n whether u accept it or not
VAJIRAM coaching is going to be of great help in mains n
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hopefully in Interview also.
OCTOBER 3, 2007 AT 9: 59 AM
saraswati said...
dumb cattle . thats how i find these vajiram students. may be a
few `good apples' are there!!!!!!!
OCTOBER 7, 2007 AT 7: 26 AM
Karthiga said...
Hi all,
I respect all ur concerns.Thank you all for appreciating my
efforts. However, I'd like to say one thing. Studying from
Manocha, Kathuria etc can be a treat for Civil services aspirant
only if the coaching is useful for the exam. However, if someone
wants to join only for intellectual enlightenment, I have no
issues pl go ahead.
What I can really guide u is. Never go for any 6 months pre cum
mains course. Its a waste.... big waste.
I wish u all good luck.
NOVEMBER 5, 2007 AT 9: 47 PM
RamZ said...
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NOVEMBER 26, 2007 AT 1:32 AM
Shweta said...
Ramz... or whatever u're....
U are definitely an agent of Vaji...
How much money did they pay you to write ur comments?
I am also a student of Vaji and what Karthiga has written is
true beyond doubts.
Shame on you... you are misguiding the students
DECEMBER 15, 2007 AT 11: 28 PM
Swati said...
I have been seeing this blog for quite some time. I have cleared
Civil Services Exam 2003 and presently in an allied service.
I must say that Karthiga is very harsh in writing such a blog.
But I must admit that the facts she/ he has written are also
true.
Would like to add here that GS is truly a game of whether you
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know the facts or not (except for mental ability qs). If you
know, you are in, otherwise u're out. Mains, I agree, is a test
more of expression than knowledge. If you have mediocre
knowledge and good expression, still you can score well. But
prelims is different.
Thus, it is expected from a coaching institute to provide those
facts which would help in answering questions.
And Ramz, please don't criticize ppl if they mug up facts for GS
prelims. That is the only way to prepare. UPSC doesn't at all
test a candidate's callibre in GS pre. That's unfortunate, but
painfully true.
DECEMBER 19, 2007 AT 7: 50 AM
Puneet Mehta said...
Hi Folks,
Would like to share an interesting piece of information..
I found that Vaji Class notes are available in the markets of Jia
Sarai and Ber Sarai and that too, not hand written, but neatly
typed. Available in just Rs 1000/-. And the price may even get
halved if it is photocopied.
So why to spend Rs 35000 when the material is available at
fractions... Anyways, Vaji doesn't provide anything apart from
dictated class notes.
The notes reach market by mid may every year.
DECEMBER 22, 2007 AT 7: 48 PM
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DECEMBER 30, 2007 AT 8: 38 AM
RamZ said...
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DECEMBER 30, 2007 AT 8: 38 AM
Sharan said...
Hey can anyone tell hw is raus,delhi???..is it same as "mirajge
of V&R"....and also hw is brilliant tutorials material....
JANUARY 15, 2008 AT 8: 16 AM
XeLNZof said...
hi karthiga...........
i am really thankfull to you......as you shared experiance at delhi
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institutes with all of us.
but........i feel the WAY YOU MADE THAT BLOG WAS REALLY
GREAT.......& also i feel...if you WRITE THE MAINS
EXAM....SURELY YOU CAN BE THE TOP......
Its my confidence on YOU....eventhough i dont know who are
you earliar, iam very much of confident abt you & your attitude.
here my personal kind suggestion to you is JUST DO YOUR
BEST KARTHIGA.........ONLY YOUR BEST.
Try to be carefull on this kind of Bladies in future...........
pls keep in touch with me karthiga,
APRIL 21, 2008 AT 6: 23 AM
Spirit said...
Just a small rejoinder:
I am a PCM student of Vaji GS 2008- 2009. Two things have
changed now:
1. Now they take only draft for fees. So friends, b prepared to
shed extra money as draft charges
2. ACs are working fine now..
Rest all what blog mentions stil exist today
MAY 14, 2008 AT 1:03 AM
rahul said...
i have full sympathy with u .........but using such harsh words
for vajiram institute are not appreciating......we all know the
success rate of this exam is very low so its true that many don't
qualify but i feel that its not possible for an ordinary human
being to complete the entire course in 4-4.5 months.......the
exam definitely requires ur OWN efforts....i have the personal
experience of clearing it in first attempt...........so take it as a
guidance and apply ur own brain to crack this exam........all the
best
MAY 14, 2008 AT 1:44 AM
do or.. said...
dear rahul,
if you want to differ factually, plz go ahead. don't give your
subjective opinions. inspite of so much injustice still you are
with the bourgeoise shareholders? how would you understand
the concerns of poor ppl in bureaucracy? do you still justify the
harm cause to poor people who come from villages and pay fees
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to such institutes by selling their land? how insensitive......
MAY 14, 2008 AT 7: 48 AM
jacob said...
god it is shocking...so much for all the big name that vajiram
has...this article is a real eyeopener....CAN SOMEBODY PLZ
TELL ME HOW IS SRIRAM INSTITUTE FOR GS...has
anybody attended their classes... is that also the same
way...WHICH INSTITUTE WOULD BE THE BEST FOR GS
...HOW IS Ramaswamy for Socio and for History are there any
good teachers in Rajinder Nagar
JUNE 9, 2008 AT 1:37 AM
anurag said...
HEy thanx for all dis,plz can u suggest me any Institute for GS
as il be gng 2 delhi very soon plzz..
SEPTEMBER 4, 2008 AT 9: 25 PM
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SEPTEMBER 5, 2008 AT 12: 45 PM
kumar said...
hi all,
i agree with some points raised by mr. karthiga but somewhere
he was very harse towards the coaching.
let me tell my experience there.some teacher were very good in
teaching. i should mention the name of mr. kathuria,sanjeev
verma for there good instruction in economy. mr. ravinderan
was very good in polity and current affairs. although mr. shukla
was not able to cover the whole syllabus of modern history but
whatever he taught that was really good and his classes were
very interesting. dr. abhilaas was very good in science &
technology portion.....for rest of the teachers of
geography,medival history,ancient history,stats .........i agree
with mr.re karthiga for them........
SEPTEMBER 5, 2008 AT 12: 51 PM
remya said...
friends, those who r in delhi can try career point, i heard very
good things about it from 2 friends(one is in service)....for g s u
should concentrate on standard books and be ready with
points..maximum points within the word and time limit will do
the trick...
i myself never went to delhi.i prepared with friends in
trivandrum.butmy g s score were consistent and i cleared in
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2006(Ips m&t cadre).now i resigned and runs an institute in
chennai..for any queries regarding civil service do contact
me([email protected])..good luk
OCTOBER 12, 2008 AT 12:14 AM
ranjeet said...
Hi to all.....
uptill now i had heard only of Vaji... as the BEST one 4 GS....but
after all this im completely confused & find myself
nowhere.....right now im working in Infosys....& in my initial
phase of prep...going thru the basic books......but if not the
BEST than where i can get better than the best....
OCTOBER 12, 2008 AT 8:40 AM
rhythm said...
Mr.Kathuria has lost his vitality. he is ok for a lecture or two.
the venerable lecturer is physically not in a condition to lecture.
they are bringing all kinds of novices. which mukherjee nagar
institutes usually do.
it does not cover current events at all for prelims. for the mains,
since this year, it is pathetic.
please see the class notes and prinyted notes which confirm me
totally.
chronicle is far far better than vajiram's notes.
for economics, the faculty( misnomer)compiled some 2 mark
questions which every student knows. when i asked for
answers, he said look up in the notes. i bet he does not know
the answers.
regarding the s and t faculty, the teacher went off to the usa.
vajii has the worst faculty now.
his result is because of the ritual of mock interview. he has half
a dozen optionals. some contribute to the result.
from GS, the cumulative result is less than 50.
this institute is going the Rau's way- live off the brand. Let
students go to hell. If they are smart, they would not have
joined in the first place!!!!!!!!strange logic from an ed.
institution.
NOVEMBER 29, 2008 AT 10: 28 PM
Satish Kumar said...
As some have already mentioned Civils has to be seen as
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something totally personal.
I agree with most of what Karthiga has said, at the same time
reasonably can claim that Vajiram is one of the better ones.
It is the people that you come across, and the energy that is
there in the atmosphere in Rajendra nagar that gives a kick.
After that it is your effort.
But, as Karthiga rightly pointed out, the discriminatory attitude
of people there hurts, especially when you are on a tight budget
and end up dealing with people with shabby houses..
Finally, this is Civil services, where you expect to become IAS
and IPS and IFS and what not. Not some engineering or MBBS
test, you take after 12th.
Dont try to look up to any body any more. No body is sacro
sanct. Even you. If you dont agree with my immediate last
statement, you are either ignorant or not mature enough yet or
plain bluffin.
It is you and you alone, who can get every piece of information
to clear the test.
And finally, a well structured article by Karthiga. For those
coming to Delhi for UPSC coaching, this will help in what to
expect.
If only, Karthiga had taken coaching in Rau's or some other, he
would have even lost the spirit to write a good blog like this.
FEBRUARY 9, 2009 AT 1:37 AM
peri said...
please can you provide me previous years question papers of
GS and psychology..i am preparing for CSE2010
MAY 18, 2009 AT 3: 51 AM
stallion said...
Great blog sir.....It is certainly an eye opener.....by nw m sure u
hv cleared ur UPSC!!!! all the best.....n do suggest me some
better (if not best) institutes for GS and geography
JULY 29, 2009 AT 9:59 PM
Aery Prabhakar said...
Thank you for sharing your experience . Really, thanks!
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MARCH 17, 2010 AT 7: 54 AM
abhishek said...
science students should not join for gs coz the speed is too fast.
PT is current centric(trend chasers available in market)
Chronicle publishes vajiram's mains notes(tacitly), also neat
hand written notes(mains) are available thanks to innovative
petty shopkeepers- wonder why waste money(esp. true for
vajiram its modus operandi is notes)
certainly not for freshers.
APRIL 2, 2010 AT 6:33 PM
S. Bala Murugan said...
Try Rau's instead ;-) (saying this with a tremendous amount of
sarcasm)
APRIL 21, 2010 AT 4: 37 AM
jatin said...
i read your eye opner artical
and one thing more i want to add to this that in newspaper
THE HINDU front page dated 21-04-2010 vajiram's
advertisement is there ! he stated that in 2008 the person
having RANK 6 was his student, thats horrible, scandalous, as
he is my child hood frnd and a MBBS, was doctor in
MOULANA he is brilliant he never took any coaching and
cleared in single attempt while juggling his job and studies. a
big word for vajiram and raji, i cant point out middel finger
here so....... **** *** u liers
APRIL 21, 2010 AT 10:27 PM
Abhishek kumar said...
Excellent post by Karthiga
APRIL 21, 2010 AT 11: 25 PM
Dr Shahid Iqbal, IFS / IAS said...
dear frends coaching today has become an industry,so to
wholly blame the institute will be wrong. we need to analyse
our options well before landing in delhi. i too had a similar
experience with Career Plus wich i joined just after finishing
my college. had to leave withing a week after paying huge
amounts and suffering mental agony. then i prepared at my
own and joined Vajiram for GS crash course for mains,and i
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found it the best i could get. may be because i had only 50days
in hand, under pressure and utilizing every single minute but
the guidance was quite helpful. for UPSC we cant depend on
classes or just mugging up notes as the times have changed and
one needs to be innovative in writing as well, u need to have
information regarding anything under the sky!! so prepare
urself and join coaching only for ur weakest areas, m sure u will
not be disappointed.
the fee structure is realy quite high for any middle class
background student to pay,but we have to live with that reality
unless government comes with some regulation. i found many
colleagues not utilising their potential just in a trauma of
having spent so much and not geting desired outcome. but one
has to put his max frends, there shudnt be any second
thoughts.
i understand the feelings of writer but under the RBI
regulations any fee/transaction above 5000 has to be through a
demand draft and the tax is duly reflected in that receipt.
so frends plz dont go by others directions,just keep these things
in mind and be a best judge of urself.
i found a concern for aspirants as a frend forwarded me this
link,so was tempted to write.
serious aspirants may contact at [email protected]
Dr Shahid Iqbal, IAS
Government of Jammu & Kashmir
APRIL 22, 2010 AT 9: 13 AM
Dr Shahid Iqbal, IFS / IAS said...
Shahid Iqbal
APRIL 22, 2010 AT 9: 14 AM
amit said...
they are bunch of thugs ...!!
bastards are looting innocent students ... but this is the way this
cruel world function :)
APRIL 24, 2010 AT 12: 02 PM
life is a celebration! said...
Mr.Karthiga has openly shared the truth.Thankful to him.
I am in a dilemma as some like Mr.Shaid Iqbal have shared
pros about vajiram and ravi.
I need ur help as I have done my BA in economics but havent
gone through any basic books.2011 wil be my first attempt.I m
joining the Vaji and ravi GS and public admnstrtion this
june.How shd I cover basic books.I belong to lower middle
class.What shd be the strategy?
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MAY 10, 2010 AT 11: 31 PM
ashu said...
then wat to do....we cant clear these xams without
coaching.....tell me the alternative Mr.
MAY 12, 2010 AT 12: 25 AM
raza said...
Please tell me which is the best place for Political Science...
I heard about Kumd ranjan sir from Khan's Study group..
MAY 13, 2010 AT 3: 19 AM
lalit said...
HI DEAR,i am out of this exam. last year i.e 2009.i wrote three
mains (cs exam.)consecutly.i performed very well in
exam.,hoping to get good rank,but to my surprise and others,i
got very poor marks in main.exam.i had put up mind,heart and
soul into this entire examination system.the end result was not
well.
i am giving pcs exam.i just want to give some good suggestions:
nobody can make u civil servant,it is u who can make out or fall
down.life is not end ,it goes on without V&R.just put best and
UPSC WILL DECIDE UR FAITH ,NOT UR PAST
BACKGROUND ,MONEY,FOOD, AND SO ON. THIS IS
INJUSTICE I AND U AND OTHERS FACE YEAR AFTER
YEAR.SO GOOD LUCK TO U GUYS OF V&R ALUMINI. LALIT
KUMAR SINGH
MAY 17, 2010 AT 8: 26 AM
raza said...
It is only that when we have options then there is too much
confusion.
There are so many institutes in Delhi.
Still if any one can help me regarding the institute for Political
Science it would be great.
MAY 17, 2010 AT 9:47 AM
Solo said...
This year's (2010) prelim further proves how dangerous it is to
depend on coaching centre material & class notes. Many people
spend too much time cramming GS coaching notes and current
affairs books, and too little on their optionals. This year's GS
pre would've been a rude awakening for them. Without a strong
grasp of fundamentals, GS can be a very risky bet, no matter
how famous the coaching institute.
The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http:/ / vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/ 2007/ 09/ vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...
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MAY 26, 2010 AT 4:41 AM
GFC said...
Thanks a lot for information. It surely helped a great deal.
JUNE 12, 2010 AT 12: 22 PM
anamika said...
I am not an IAS aspirant but I am glad you took the initiative...
JUNE 17, 2010 AT 1: 27 AM
bonjoe said...
i agreed totally with all my frns.....Coaching has all turned to
bussiness...what matters is self study rather than completely
believing on them
JULY 6, 2010 AT 1:13 PM
Dhwani said...
Hi,
Iv already made reservations to come over to Delhi this Oct.
Can anyone plz tell me which is the better institute (and i say
the better one cuz i read the whole blog and i want to kno which
is better among all as not one is the best)for coaching for Gs
and can i get mains coaching in Oct itself?
O and one more thing. We dont have an Optional for 2011
Prelims right? so i only need to get coaching for GS & CSAT.
Right?
JULY 22, 2010 AT 9: 38 PM
Neeraj said...
I had this conversation with V&S via mail and they told me that
fee is not decided for oct session still. No wonder they are
increasing it.
can anyone tell me what was the fee for june session.
moreso i agree to what mr iqbal said.
Its more about getting regularity and meeting fellow aspirants
and competitive environment that u need for the kick start rest
is up to you.
JULY 24, 2010 AT 1: 24 PM
sonali said...
Hi neeraj,
you can checkout the fee structure for june at
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http://www.vajiramandravi.com/Forms/June2010-New.pdf.
I think they are making amendments in this due to the
introduction of CSAT.
Can anyone please please please recommend me a good
institute for gs, pub ad and sociology. I am late in reading the
blog, and have already resigned from my job to join V&R :(
please suggest...
JULY 31, 2010 AT 1:09 PM
ashu said...
any suggestions abt the institute for csat n gs....do reply
JULY 31, 2010 AT 10:11 PM
shrishti said...
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SEPTEMBER 5, 2010 AT 9: 45 AM
jan said...
Very interesting blog.
I've been looking for web content and forums for information
on CSE 2011. Was disappointed at not finding an active online
community of aspirants. This is the first real discussion I have
seen relating to the UPSC coaching.
SEPTEMBER 6, 2010 AT 1: 09 PM
sonam11 said...
hello Mr. Karthiga,
thanks for telling mischeivious details about the institute.. you
did a really good job by conveying us the details by this blog,,,
thanks for helping me and a lot many other aspirants,,,
Now vajiram and ravi institute is charging net 52000rs for GS
only,,, for other optionals,a person has to spend another
33,000 or so Rs....
I mean,after paying such hefty sum,one will not even get good
notes,classes etc,,, then why to waste ours or our parent's hard
earned money..
thanks for telling the harsh realty
SEPTEMBER 15, 2010 AT 10: 37 AM
ashu said...
then where to go huh....we dont have any choice....everyone
here is criticizing ...why not a single one tell us the way huh...if
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u gota a problem then tell us the solution n u r not making it
easy ...u r complicating it for us....
SEPTEMBER 17, 2010 AT 4: 01 AM
Solo said...
It's not written in the Constitution that one must take coaching
to become a civil servant. A natural interest in gaining
knowledge and capacity for hard work are the main ingredients
required here. One can make a good preparation strategy after
cool-headed analysis of past years' question papers and reading
one or two basic books (Whose names are easily available
online in the blogs and interviews of successful candidates).
Shah Faesal (2010 topper) didn't take coaching, nor did Anay
Dwivedi (5th), or Ghanshyam Thori (25th) (Though they may
have joined a test series later). These are just a few people I
know of, there would be many more. All notes and test papers
are available in the market for those who are serious about
study.
For a good list of links to various blogs, see the July 10 post (by
Tanvi Sundariyal, rank 6) at
http://thecivilservicesdream.blogspot.com/
If one does a lot of research to select the coaching centre most
suited to oneself, coaching might be useful, but even then it's
not essential. It has a very high cost (in terms of fees,
exorbitant rent while staying outside, living expenses etc.) The
main benefit is interaction with other aspirants and sharing of
knowledge about the exam.
SEPTEMBER 17, 2010 AT 11: 42 PM
Solo said...
W.r.t. previous comment, I did not mean that one can prepare
with one or two basic books. They are necessary to get familiar
with the subject, so you can make sense of things when you sit
down to analyse papers. After such analysis, you'll be able to
form a decent strategy for your real study, which will of course
require referring to more sources, making good notes, and
burning the midnight oil. All this while regularly going back to
the papers & syllabus to ensure you are studying what is
actually required.
SEPTEMBER 18, 2010 AT 2: 37 AM
UDAY said...
Many Rooms available for rent near the institute for very
affordable prices.
Starting at Rs.2000 to Rs 10,000 per month.
No Commission requd.(Skip property dealers)
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Contact Owner-
Uday 9811578948
OCTOBER 3, 2010 AT 2:17 AM
amren said...
Everyones criticized and pin pointed the effort made by Mr
karthik. You experience the facts only after you realize the
truth.
Can anyone give a solution? How to go about it?
JAI HIND.
OCTOBER 7, 2010 AT 6: 05 AM
Jai said...
Vajiram is an useless caoching institute.. Now they are charging
71000 ..I can see a lot of students joining the institute.. i was
very disappointed when i saw the prelims question paper and
comparing it to what vajiram has taught ..My 2nd options was
Geo from Neetu singh .. so I made sure i just dont listen to
Manocha.. cause his concepts some times are good and
Sometimes he is actually wrong .. i found that out when i had
some doubts and i asked him .. the only good thing abt the
institute is Economy classes .. and Rest its just a Money making
Institute .. Vajiram has to improve there standards
OCTOBER 9, 2010 AT 7: 54 AM
NA said...
I am a current student of the pre-cum-mains batch at Vajiram
& Ravi. I think this blog is nothing else but an unsuccessful
student who could never really understand what IAS and UPSC
exam are all about and wants to blame someone else for his/her
failure. Just observe how his/her main disappointment is that
there were no direct questions that s/he could answer. It is just
an attempt at mud slinging.
As far as the "economic corruption" is concerned, any right
thinking person knows that fee is accepted only in the form of
Demand Draft and not by cash or cheque. DD is a way to
prevent corruption and not abet it.The author claims that he
has paid his educational fee throughout by cash/cheque and
not by DD. I don't know what kind of institutions s/he has
studied in because frankly, I've studied in the best in the
country, and the fee is always paid by DD.Moreover, if the
author had ever cared to enter a bank and get a DD made, he
would have known that a very nominal commission of about
Rs. 200/- is charged for DD of amount around Rs. 50,000/-. I
don't know about the earlier years but this year they have
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issued us a printed receipt which we have been allowed to
retain even after the issuing the identity cards. The
infrastructural facilities now are definitely better than every
other institute.
The author even goes to the extent of questioning Manocha sir's
"character". I wonder how s/he comes to know "after a few
class (sic) what kind of character he is". As for me, I think he is
the best teacher in Vajiram. Mr. Ravindran teaches polity very
well and he does not dictate fast. All lies have been posted by
the author, unless, of course, s/he writes at the speed of a snail!
The local population may not be the friendliest but it is not the
refugee population from the North East. I have lived there from
my childhood and rarely, if ever, have I come across any people
from North East (this is not to say anything against the people
from North East. I have been to some NE states, I love the
people and their culture deeply). The area is dominated by the
Punjabi community. This statement by the author indicates
that other assertions might be equally false.
Ravindran sir is very helpful. Two years back, when I was not
even a student there, he agreed to meet me and guided me for
15 mins regarding whether I should opt for civil services or not.
There are many such examples.
I think it is either a cheap way for the author to get some cheap
publicity or his way to feel better by blaming someone else for
his failure. If it is the latter, I have nothing against the author
since it is a very normal human tendency to do so.
But I do agree with you on one thing. That you have "wasted
thousands of hrs in hopeless classes and millions of Joules of
energy". Thats because you thought that UPSC exam was some
kind of a University exam and Vajiram notes a guide book and
a key to all the answers to the questions in the exam. And your
hope was never to learn and making it a rich experience rather
only mugging up the notes and vomiting them out in the exam.
I know my post will be deleted by you because you are
obviously not a person who will allow free speech. I can see
how the posts by 'RamZ'
have been deleted but I nevertheless wasted my half hour in
reading your bullshit and writing a comment on it though it did
not deserve it. I will also be accused ambassador of acting as an
a of the institute. I intend to do so but not here but rather by
clearing the exam with flying colours.
PS: I dare you to put this up and not delete and at least have
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the guts to allow free speech.
NA
NOVEMBER 25, 2010 AT 9:50 AM
NA said...
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NOVEMBER 25, 2010 AT 9:50 AM
Peeyoosh Gupta said...
I believe that this coaching institute is VARDAN for engineers.
Those who give bad comment has not understood mr. ravi.
NOVEMBER 26, 2010 AT 1:46 AM
satyendra said...
Nice effort but not sufficient. This is not only the case with
Vajiram. I think all the coaching institutes are cheating
students as they can. So its our duty to alert while joining any
coaching institute....I advice all students before joining any
coaching take consultation from your seniors or old students.
Students should take Mr. Karthiga view''s as his personal. First
verify them then go ahead......All the Best.
DECEMBER 4, 2010 AT 4: 51 AM
rash said...
please everyone whose so ever reading dont waste ur money
attending classes ...at vaji ram ...well i took csat classes from
dere ....they particularly have nothing substantial to taech
...and it suffocates to be in room filled 300+ students ...!!
JANUARY 6, 2011 AT 3: 28 AM
UDAY said...
Rooms for rent
Rs.2000-5000 per month per room
Walking distance from Vajiram and Ravi Institute
Students only, Boys Only
No Commission
Contact Owner-9811578948 Uday
JANUARY 10, 2011 AT 12: 21 AM
SHAILENDRA said...
good one..........can anyonne clear upsc by reading books and
preparing their own notes....why the hell you run after coaching
centres...burn ur money and then blame them if u r not
successful.........
The Mirage of Vajiram and ravi: Vajiram GS: Is it worth http:/ / vajiramandravi.blogspot.in/ 2007/ 09/ vajiram-gs-is-it-worth...
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JANUARY 15, 2011 AT 10: 41 PM
SHAILENDRA said...
fuck u uday .....its not a add sitr
JANUARY 15, 2011 AT 10: 42 PM
BloodBrothers said...
All the issues have been discussed so far but no one has stepped
forward to shed some light on the solution. Solution is what we
need at the moment. Just for the sake of our common interests,
i wish to convey that coaching "isn't" required to crack the
exam. Personally i believe that its only for people who are
extremely short on time or need some ass-kicking to start
studying properly. Excluding some gifted candidates who clear
it in their first attempt, rest of us need at least 2 years of solid &
focussed preparation to even appear for the exam with winning
chances(probable analysis). Its not a demotivational statement
but the words of a friend who is a 2010 IPS(63RR) & currently
at NPA. He juggled b/w a job as well as studies.
Conclusion:- If you have abilities then no need for coaching.
Also please kindly assess your talent and patience before
appearing for the CS as its not a child's play, be real and
grounded. Have faith in god.
APRIL 2, 2011 AT 1:21 PM
BloodBrothers said...
All coaching centres in Delhi:
You son's of a B***H!!!!
APRIL 10, 2011 AT 9: 21 AM
tyagi said...
Most of the students go there with a hope that the questions
they give are 'important' from prelims point of view and the
questions asked in UPSC are based on what they teach. THIS IS
TOTALLY FALSE BEYOND ANY DOUBT.
AS if you are writing a second grade university exam in which
all the questions would come from guide
JUNE 27, 2011 AT 8: 53 PM
Dhanraj Gaur said...
Hi Karthiga,
Thanks for your feedback!.
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My friend is willing to join a good IAS coaching institute in
NCR region. Earlier I was suggesting him to go for Vajiram, but
it seems I was wrong!
I would really appreciate if you can suggest us any other good
coaching in NCR. We are totally lost now!
My frnd is opting for Geography and Public Ad. Could you
please suggest a good institute for these subject?
Thanks,
Dhanraj Gaur
JUNE 28, 2011 AT 12: 55 PM
Solo said...
The main problem with Vajiram is their GS. Not because they
are worse than others at teaching it (they are perhaps better
than most), but because of the vastness of the syllabus, the
sheer size of classes, and the way UPSC makes sure material
from Vaji is not asked in exams. UPSC designs the papers in
such a way that the benefits of coaching are minimized. In
PubAd, Vaji is quite good. Minocha's material had gotten
outdated, but the new teachers (Rajesh Gupta/Nagasena) are
pretty decent. Geography is at many places. Neetu Singh
(Direction Institute) is one option.
JUNE 29, 2011 AT 4:19 AM
kiran said...
Can anybody tell for purchasing good correspondence study
material for IAS mains GS,Sociology,Public adm. which
institute is best and wht are the discounts avilable? Is coaching
material sufficient for preparation?
JULY 14, 2011 AT 8: 27 AM
dinesh gurjar said...
im so confused...........i thought that i will join vaji october
batch..........but after rading these blogs im confused if i should
join these vaji ram institute or not?
.....karthiga will u tell us how much effort u gave to ur study
.......ya aapne apna dimag sirf institute ko dosh dene m hi
lagaya?
...........vajiram or uske jesai dusre institutes jo itnaa paisa letai
hh coaching k liye .........kisi b ek subject k liye 50000/-rs tak
...........akhir ye log asa kya padha detai hh bacho ko jo ye itna
charge kerte hh n bloody govt..who dont restrict them for
charging so much fees...kya ye faculty itnee hoshiaar hotii h kya
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jo per subject itnaa charge kerte hh .......aaj institutes ne
"shiksha " ko mehanga dhandaa bana dia hh bhalai hi unhe
kuch aata jata ho ya n nahii
in institute k high fees charging per ankush lagana
chahiye....institute k jo teacher hote h ve sirf cremy layer
(intelligent) bacho se hi jada matlab rakhte hh ..........aaj k
teacher chor hh jo apna sammaan apni respect ko bachate hue
assani se bacho ko luttey hh....karthiga wat u told may b true
but if we see d acheivments of dis institute ...to tumhari baat
per yakin nhi kia ja sakta bcos issi institute ne rankers nb
banaye hh ....sach kya hh ram jane but institute or teacher ko
bacho ko thagna nahi chahiye
JULY 17, 2011 AT 9:31 PM
dinesh gurjar said...
i dont wana trust any instite....now im thinking for self
preperation for my IAS....jatin thx for telling true abt vajiram
...........lier vajiram....jatin did ur frd took any action against
these instit ute for fake advertisement regarding 21-4-2010
advrtisment?
JULY 17, 2011 AT 9:49 PM
Rajesh said...
z
AUGUST 21, 2011 AT 5: 24 AM
Aastha said...
Hi karthiga,Ravindran did worst than what he did with you
guys..I joined vajiram in oct 2008 batch.unfortunately within a
month,i had to leave the classes b coz i developed a swelling in
my leg...so i had to rush to CMC VELLORE for having dose of
radiation and chemotherepy..I requested a lot to him for
allowing me to join the batch after 6 months in may 2009.that
man is merciless also,that even after seeing the medical report
of cancer,he didnt allowed.i donated 72k free of cost.most
imp,now i am perfectly healthy..as it was diagonised in its
earliest stage.
u r doing a noble job by warning students.
Aastha
OCTOBER 12, 2011 AT 6: 58 AM
Krishnadas Nair said...
For current affairs visit,
http://currentaffairsmanual.blogspot.com/
OCTOBER 13, 2011 AT 10: 36 PM
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The Scientific Temper said...
Oh God !!! You are great!!!
I just have been at Vaji Ram and Ravi, Old Rajendra Nagar,
New Delhi on this Saturday for inquiry regarding IAS coaching
for my daughter who is getting above 85% in psycho in her MA
from a Central Univ.
After being informed the fee structure from the office I
calculated for the total cost that would be needed if she goes to
Delhi to join this coaching for whole year+PG charges+etc, this
comes nearly Rs 4,00.000/- from pre to main to interview.
I have been since then thinking that from where I can arrange
the above sum, and finally I decided to sell my Maruti wagon R
VXI to arrange the initial expenses plus books after submitting
the fees.
Now, after going through your blogs I am just baffled what to
do what not to do???
If God is keeping me away from this extravaganza. He
definitely will help my child also to get her dreams come true...I
have firm belief in this BECAUSE IT IS A SHEER CHANCE
THAT I READ THIS BLOG OTHERWISE I AM NOT A
REGULAR USER OF ALL THESE MODERN MEANS.
I am a teacher by choice and do not have black money.
Therefore it seems me that GOD HAS HIS OWN WAYS OF
HELPING HIS CHILDREN.
Thanks Karthik
Yours
Dr P N Tripathi
NOVEMBER 22, 2011 AT 6: 35 PM
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DECEMBER 21, 2011 AT 10: 17 AM
Hardik said...
hey...you are very valid at many points,i must say,the history
teacher teaching history goes far too deep in mideival history &
Manocha sir too have the same problem of getting into depth of
smthing not really required for gs,mst probably he himself gets
driven with the flow,othrwise a great teacher he is...but i would
still say things are not that bad.Now the infrastructure has
changed a lot,the rooms are well equipped for holding lectures
& every single activity takes place quite systematically...bt thts
nt really my point,the gist of my comment is actually you do
need a coaching institute if you don't have some person to
guide you all the pros & cons in your family, vajiram having
loopholes at various areas also scores at many things...& of
course its quite obvious that within 5-6 months nobody can
finish off every single thing in the syllabus & if we talk about
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prelims,it has & always will be unpredictable ,so thinking that
you will simply follow watevr is taught at institute,you are only
having cmpleted a job not even half done...the sole purpose of
an institute is to lay a foundation for you to build up on that.
You need to go an extra mile depending not on smbody else,but
only & only your own consciousness & that's something you strt
building by going through many previous year papers,giving
heed to each & every single detail of the syllabus the upsc has
penned dwn for civil services exams. So count on an institute
just to lay a good foundation & for the rest of the journey you
are your own cynosure...
& i would also like to add one of the major loophole of vajiram,
GS is still fyn but never ever opt for its CSAT...except the
english teacher,thers no 1 worth spending your money upon
Al the very Best to all
JANUARY 2, 2012 AT 4: 10 AM
Hardik said...
hey...you are very valid at many points,i must say,the history
teacher teaching history goes far too deep in mideival history &
Manocha sir too have the same problem of getting into depth of
smthing not really required for gs,mst probably he himself gets
driven with the flow,othrwise a great teacher he is...but i would
still say things are not that bad.Now the infrastructure has
changed a lot,the rooms are well equipped for holding lectures
& every single activity takes place quite systematically...bt thts
nt really my point,the gist of my comment is actually you do
need a coaching institute if you don't have some person to
guide you all the pros & cons in your family, vajiram having
loopholes at various areas also scores at many things...& of
course its quite obvious that within 5-6 months nobody can
finish off every single thing in the syllabus & if we talk about
prelims,it has & always will be unpredictable ,so thinking that
you will simply follow watevr is taught at institute,you are only
having cmpleted a job not even half done...the sole purpose of
an institute is to lay a foundation for you to build up on that.
You need to go an extra mile depending not on smbody else,but
only & only your own consciousness & that's something you strt
building by going through many previous year papers,giving
heed to each & every single detail of the syllabus the upsc has
penned dwn for civil services exams. So count on an institute
just to lay a good foundation & for the rest of the journey you
are your own cynosure...
& i would also like to add one of the major loophole of vajiram,
GS is still fyn but never ever opt for its CSAT...except the
english teacher,thers no 1 worth spending your money upon
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Al the very Best to all
JANUARY 2, 2012 AT 4: 11 AM
Unknown said...
Hello
MARCH 8, 2012 AT 11:56 AM
Unknown said...
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MARCH 8, 2012 AT 11:58 AM
myconoclast said...
Of course he's right fellows. I studied at VnR too and it was
mostly pointless. For those claiming that we're missing the big
picture, let this be clear: we enrolled in the coaching institute
with the specific purpose of cracking the exam. No one wants to
be spoon fed, of course, but we do want to be put steadily on
the right course. If you want to increase your knowledge, then
you could just do a double masters, an m phil or even a phd,
not join VnR! In fact, anyone seriously contemplating civils has
enough brains to read the countless books available for the
exam and grasp most of what is stated. We join a coaching
institute to save us the time, strain the knowledge. And Vajiram
fails at that quite miserably. I have nothing against knowing as
much as I can and constantly striving to increase the corpus of
my general awareness. But I'd do that when a do not have a
deadly exam knocking at my door; one that inherently requires
me to judge useful knowledge from useless (with respect to the
exam). And I pay the institute almost 10 times the amount of
money I paid for my graduation degree to help me with this
cumbersome task. Not to fill my head with all that I could have
filled it up with anyway. But to streamline it.
And that is where VnR (and most other coaching institutes)
fail, especially with regard to prelim preparations.
MARCH 21, 2012 AT 3: 13 PM
Unknown said...
@myconoclast what's ur opinion now?? whether to join vajiram
and ravi or no?? because i've completed my graduation want to
go der so tell me the fact..no coaching institute are 100%..they
only guide..efforts should be our's..so tell me.
APRIL 22, 2012 AT 12: 09 PM
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AUGUST 4, 2012 AT 3: 08 PM
Solo said...
There are good individual teachers, but we don't know about
them coz they aren't famous yet, and once they get famous,
they don't have time to give individual attention. That has
happened with Mukul Pathak (Psychology), Mohanty (Pub
Admin) and many others.
There are short term courses (crash courses, answer-writing
sessions, test series) in Delhi, but that depends on the subject
and the timing. I don't know about places outside Delhi.
Regarding places to get notes from, in Delhi you have Jawahar
Book Depot, Prem Photostat, and many places in Rajinder
Nagar and Mukherjee Nagar. You can search on
Indianofficer.com for details.
AUGUST 5, 2012 AT 7: 21 AM
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AUGUST 7, 2012 AT 2: 33 PM
Sandeep Desai said...
Please discuss the correct approach of classes to be joined or
notes to be studied for a fresher student.
AUGUST 7, 2012 AT 2: 44 PM
nutesh said...
u r biggest dumb man... get a life... teachers at vajiram n ravi r
good, not the best but still they put all their efforts in making u
understand the basics coz this coaching is for ppl who knows
zero or have zero knowledge of upsc while those who know
what is upsc doesnt even take coachings n crack exams in their
first attempt... dont know anything about u but m studying in
vajiram n ravi n appearing for upsc'13 for the first time n i had
learned a lot and i get good ranks in the test series...
FEBRUARY 20, 2013 AT 10: 26 AM
nutesh said...
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a BIG thumbs up man... u r very much right...
FEBRUARY 20, 2013 AT 10: 44 AM
myconoclast said...
Unknown said...
@myconoclast what's ur opinion now?? whether to join vajiram
and ravi or no?? because i've completed my graduation want to
go der so tell me the fact..no coaching institute are 100%..they
only guide..efforts should be our's..so tell me.
Sorry for the late reply. I would suggest getting your hands on
the recommended books (a no of booklists are available online
and you can ask upsc veterans), making your own notes
(cannot be substituted by someone else's notes, those can only
be complementary), and finally practice.
For pre, join test series, or just get the photocopies and take
mock tests at home. And for mains, get into the habit of writing
3-5 answers everyday - from 5 markers to 20-30 markers.
Again, test series will help. They are the only thing worth your
money. Coaching institutes, unless you really do much better
sitting in a class with 300 people being rushed through the
syllabus, waste time and money. Things no serious upsc
candidate has much of anyway :)
Hope that helped. All the best!
MARCH 21, 2013 AT 9: 07 AM
dev s said...
Dear Author,
going by ur dates i guess u nd i were in batch at vaji,first of all
let me request u to remove all those comments who r against u
nd pro-vajirams. Such fans nd followers of vajirams can open
up their own blogs,what r they doing here?? I don't understand
why r some ppl interested in beating the bush nd r failing to see
the larger picture.I can most certainly put up a winning
argument against those who r trying not to understand ur
view-point nd r thus glorifying Vajiram but what the point!! As
i once read- blinds can't see, those who've deliberately closed
eyes can't see, nd those who know what they r seeing yet state
something else r also devoid of vision. Ur opinion matters to u
the most, believe in urself.
BTW did u forget the stink from the washrooms that sometimes
filled the basement hall, or the sheer insult of students at the
hands of Vajiram teachers? In my gs pcm batch i still
remember ravindran gave only 18 lectures in the whole 6
months, what a waste nd after the prelims did u get a copy of
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the SOLVED prelims paper from them - they took a whole week
to give answers to question paper saying our team is preparing
solutions and even after that only 2/3rd paper was answered
out of which 17 answers were wrong. I could say this because
those questions were common facts as if someone asks who's
the pm of india. I didn't believe it at first so i took solved
booklet to the elangovan, he went ahead nd stamped it!!
WOW!!!! I'm in touch with a present student of theirs nd
unfortunately the situation is same.
Good luck to u nd i hope u find peace and success
Dev
MARCH 24, 2013 AT 6: 00 AM
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MARCH 30, 2013 AT 6: 25 AM
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MARCH 30, 2013 AT 6: 28 AM
Serenity at it's best..! said...
I do agree..They are professionals not teachers...They suck up
ur hard earned money.. nd the rest will be sucked by these
greedy Rajendra Nagar landlords....
I also got cheated..People who have good financial backing can
pay even more to these bloody coaching institutes..but Wat
about people like me who left their job.. came to Delhi in the
hope of getting something good from this so called Vajiram and
Ravi...Whatever they had taught 5 yrs back..they are still
dictating the same notes with no new updation.The only good
thing which Vajiram is having is the Gem "Mukul
Pathak"..Actually he is not known by Vaji..this vaji is known
becz of him for psycho..rest are totally waste..they had already
taken 60 k for GS but now becz of new mains syllabus they are
charging 3ok more..Jus imagine 90k total for GS.. a poor man
can do marriages of his 2 daughters wid the same.
Mr Ravindram was saying that he is so poor..need some extra
money for new faculties ;-)
Nyways..everyone feels the same...Only one month is left for
prelims nd i know nothing... So If u hv made five yrs plan for
cracking this exam, lots of energy and a rich father then join
Vaji even any other coaching institute..becz story is same
everywhere.
MARCH 30, 2013 AT 6: 35 AM
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APRIL 10, 2013 AT 3: 21 PM
Serenity at it's best..! said...
I have no personal problem with Vajiram and Ravi...as i have
already mentioned that all coaching institutes are same.The
problem which I've faced in Vajiram is their traditional way of
teaching esp in GS classes which is the first and foremost
requirement for cracking prelims..becz undoubtedly
Pyschology is awesome which is only because of Mukul Pathak
but it will go in vain if you don't clear prelims..Rest teachers are
waste becz in spite of having good knowledge, they don't know
how to transfer it. UPSC is demanding something new from
their candidates..It is not a university exam..where u vomit it
out which u've mugged up last night from your class notes.I am
hoping may be this year they serve something good to their
students as UPSC syllabus got changed..It is entirely my
personal opinion.When I had come to Delhi,I had no prior
guidance so I had no choice before me except joining an
institute.. So don't blindly follow my opinion.Take feedback
from people who got selected and make an informed choice.
APRIL 10, 2013 AT 3: 24 PM
Sangharsh Gedam said...
I am an Engineering Graduate.Want to go for IAS 2014. So i
researched abt best coaching institutes and VAJIRAM and
RAVI and RAU's IAS circle popped up.... After reading this blog
i'm damn confused.And by the way now fee for
GS(prelim+mains)+optional subject+CSAT=1,50,000. I will
appreciate it if some one will guide me.HELP fellow IAS
aspirants.
APRIL 26, 2013 AT 11: 28 PM
Ravi Kiran said...
Unbelievable!!!
This was written in 2007 and people are still following it.
MAY 20, 2013 AT 12: 49 PM
Prashant said...
@ Karthiga and all..
Hi friends,
I read all the comments...from those posted in 2007 till date. I
really appreciate the efforts of the author to share the
experiences.
I am also a civil service aspirant. Two of my friends are already
at VR now.They said its a good class and worth the money we
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pay for the class. so I am also getting inclined to join the
october batch 2013. I appeared for the Pre this time and I think
I'll be through.Mains this year is from 1st Dec. I have 6 months.
I am in dilemma now.I have some options.
1)I should focus for 2014 exam straightaway and join the V&R
classes for 2014 exam in October.(But now after reading this, I
am really confused)
2)I should not join any class and study on my own.(But doubt
here is , is it possible to clear mains without any coaching in 6
months? what should be done? Please advise.)
Just wanted your opinions as I am planning to focus on MAINS
2013. is VR really worth for MAINS classes atleast? Is it
practically possible to clear MAINS in 6 months with no
coaching available..? If not, Is there any other class you wanna
suggest for MAINS?
Before taking any decision,I think its always better to take
advice from experienced people.Kindly reply when you read
this post and address the queries.All suggestions will be
appreciated.
JUNE 8, 2013 AT 10:59 AM
Mohan Pandey said...
I am in same boat as you Prashant.. Hopeful of clearing
prelims... unable to decide if vajiram is good enough... for
mains... (as mains has changed..!)
we can meet and talk or call me on my phone.. my
phone...9971707455
JUNE 8, 2013 AT 11: 23 AM
Solo said...
(part 1 of 2)
If you have no general knowledge, then Vajiram might help a
bit. If you have decent GK and have a good reading habit since
childhood (including a newspaper), GS coaching isn't very
necessary, especially since you can get notes and specialized
books (e.g. Current Affairs compilations) in the market.
The current Mains situation is similar to the change in pattern
that happened in Prelims two years ago. Coaching centres
(including Vajiram) were teaching very high level stuff then,
even tougher than CAT, and then CSAT actually ended up being
much, much easier. Those who had paid 50,000+ rupees to
join Vajiram, not to mention the rent and living costs, did not
get good return on their money. It is always a gamble with
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UPSC. It has been said that they ensure things from Vajiram
coaching material are not set in the paper, and I suspect that to
be true. You get only few questions in Prelims GS that can be
found in Vajiram material. One does not need to pay 70
thousand for that. If you read a competition magazine
regularly, you'll get those anyway.
If you have no knowledge of GS, then Vajiram is good to build a
base, but only a base. You have to apply your mind after that,
read the Hindu everyday, make and revise notes. The main
benefit of staying in a coaching cluster like Rajinder Nagar or
Mukherjee Nagar is that you meet like-minded people and
build a network that helps a lot in future preparation and
motivation. You get practical tips on how to approach
preparation. The coaching itself is just a small part of the
picture. Most of the time in coaching is anyway spent taking
down dictated notes blindly.
JUNE 8, 2013 AT 12: 19 PM
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JUNE 8, 2013 AT 12: 20 PM
Solo said...
(Part 2 of 2)
This is my fourth attempt and I have cleared prelims every
time, in both the old and new patterns (should do this time as
well, unless some clerical mistake or shit happens). I have not
taken any GS coaching till now. I did study Psychology from
Mr. Mukul Pathak at Vajiram, and am grateful for the
experience. What you need to clear civil services is an
understanding of the exam, making a good plan, and working
very, very hard at executing it. Coaching actually gives you
none of these. They are still teaching stuff they did ten years
ago even though the exam has completely changed. Some of it
is relevant, most of it is not. They ask you to memorize
countries and capitals from yearbooks, or ask you to read all of
ancient History just because some temple's location was asked
in Prelims. This is just an attempt at transferring their
responsibility on the student instead of reducing the load. So
they can say if you don't succeed, "Look, we told you to read
and memorize these 58 books. If you couldn't, it's your fault." A
good coach selects the right stuff and asks you to focus on that,
and shares the blame if you fail. If a temple's location is asked,
it's almost certainly because it has been made a World Heritage
Site or has been in the news for some reason. Country/capital
kind of questions are never asked, and even if they are, it would
only be because some summit or other important event
happened there. Most teachers don't tell you this because then
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their responsibility increases, to stay updated, to give only
relevant information, to be a fellow traveler in your quest.
Small teachers are usually better at this than corporatized
coaching centres.
I have not succeeded till now simply because I haven't made
intelligent plans and haven't worked at implementing them
hard enough. This is true of most aspirants who have a basic
level of intellectual capacity and knowledge. Coaching centres
can only help you with the initial 10-15% of the way. You have
to walk the rest on your own, and it's a long road. Friends help,
but only upto a point. You cannot actually get a real idea of
Mains till you write it. It requires a humongous level of
information pre-organized in your head, ready to be written on
paper at breakneck speed. Only intelligent preparation and lots
of practice can get you there, or at least close to it. If you do
take coaching, treat is as an aid to your 'real' preparation, not
as the primary thing. Reject material/notes that seem
nonsensical or irrelevant, and prepare that part on your own if
you have time. Apply your mind, don't blindly follow the crowd.
Most of the crowd won't get selected. But don’t be lazy or afraid
to come and live in a coaching cluster for a few months. Taking
coaching itself is not mandatory. Just hang out at the book and
photocopy shops, tea shops, join a test series just to get to know
people, with whom you can have fruitful discussions. I know
people who have done that and continue to maintain links over
phone after returning to their native place. It helps. If you
cannot do that, try online forums like IndianOfficer.com or
ForumIAS.com . And again, be aware of how much time you
have and you much material you can handle. Every guy would
tell you five new books. Reading two books three times each is
much better than reading six books once for mains-oriented
preparation.
Most of you are not going to succeed, that’s the statistical truth.
So give your best, enjoy the journey and come out wiser from it.
JUNE 8, 2013 AT 12: 22 PM
payal said...
hi
can anyone plz suggest gud teacher for geography optional in
delhi...i m confused between shabbir and alok ranjan
JUNE 17, 2013 AT 12: 10 AM
TYCOON said...
@payal...geography is best at ALS with Shashank Atom and
Jojo Mathews as it's renowned teachers. You can surely join
them, or u may join K.siddhartha ensemble.
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JULY 4, 2013 AT 3: 23 AM
K C Sandeep said...
i'm planning to join this vajiram and ravi center can i get any
one contact number who is studying there now to know and
esquire about the center info either to take coaching there r
not...........sandeep
JULY 26, 2013 AT 8:03 AM
Mohan Pandey said...
How about ALS?
i am planning to join als now after reading all this.. please
comment.. giving its strength and weaknessness... honest
feedback please.......
AUGUST 5, 2013 AT 12: 50 PM
Abhinand said...
Hi All,
please let me know the importance of the Vajiram notes. is it
worth to buy for beginners.
AUGUST 6, 2013 AT 5: 49 AM
Ashok Suthar said...
Hi, I wish to take up coaching for prelims cum mains for 2014.
Earlier i had zeroed in on vajiram, but after hearing lot of
mixed reviews, i want to reconsider my decision, now i am
inclined towards SriRam's IAS and ALS....
Could some1 plz help me in choosing the best institute among
the three?
Thanks in advance :)
AUGUST 7, 2013 AT 4: 10 AM
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gagan gupta said...
I have completed my 12th this year and i am doing b.a just
because i only want to become an IPS officer. Its my only
dream or lifetime aim.
But the problem arises with G.S Material and my optional
(Geography)
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Coz i dont know from where to get it started
I am thinking to have vajiram's full pre & mains G.S and
Geography notes
Or should i start fresh from other books (not any institute
material) , if yes then how ??
Pls suggest me if vajiram's notes are good for perp. Cz i dont
want to get in any coaching trouble , i want to give my best in
upcoming 3 yrs
so pls show me the right way for my prep.
It will be of great help.
Thank you.
SEPTEMBER 6, 2013 AT 5: 19 PM
gagan gupta said...
Hi payal
I wondor u r in delhi and found ur teacher too
and hope u r doing gud with ur prep
But i also need ur help
Pls go through my comment below and help me if u can
Cz m also planning to come delhi for studies
SEPTEMBER 6, 2013 AT 5: 30 PM
gagan gupta said...
Can u tell me some books on G.S & geography which covers the
whole upsc syllabus and can ensure my mains selection
I know the rest depends on my study
SEPTEMBER 7, 2013 AT 4: 43 AM
P.A said...
vajiram or rau plz suggest
SEPTEMBER 15, 2013 AT 12: 30 PM
ayus kumar said...
hello... i had joined vajiram and ravi for public
administration..and c.sat...big fee was paid and i got nothing..i
couldnt clear basics and was not able to write answers.. atlast
oneday some one suggested the name of k.shandilya who was
here to deliver lectures in a management institute..for personal
guidance..i dont know that he is from which coaching at
delhi...he gave me ten days classes for a fee higher than bajiram
because i needed it..however his guidance proved boon for
me...i hv no complain about vajiram and ravi..but the work is
not so big as name is... i feel the coaching is professional and
have little to do with candidates actul concerns.. rahul
chandigarh
OCTOBER 9, 2013 AT 12: 36 AM
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Simlee said...
Could someone be kind enough to suggest a good institute for
ECONOMICS (Mains) in Delhi?
NOVEMBER 13, 2013 AT 8: 01 PM
Simlee said...
Could someone be kind enough to suggest a good institute for
ECONOMICS (Mains) in Delhi?
NOVEMBER 13, 2013 AT 8: 02 PM
Latha Shree said...
Latha here ,
Im a an IAS aspirant and Im planning to join Vajiram and Ravi
in May 2014. But after going through this article Im getting
confused . Can anybody please suggest me a good coaching
centre ? Or , can v crack the exam only with the help of postal
coaching from Vajiram and Ravi ?
Regards,
Latha
NOVEMBER 24, 2013 AT 3: 50 AM
ratna mishra said...
hi all,
I want to become n ips.....institutes or fee structure search krte
hue yha aa gayi.well main middle clss family se hoon to itna fee
dena possible nhi h.jitne v institutes h sare paisa khane wale
h.maine phle v diploma kiya h 3 saal ka 2.5 lakh m.guys aap
soch skte ho middle class family 2.5 lakh.....jb maine 2nd sem
m classes chorne k baat k to unhone mba kr diya....tb tk mai 1
lakh pay kr chuki thi..unhone bola k jana chahte ho to jao pr na
fee wapas hogi na 1sem ka certificate milega.kch na milega ye
soch k maine jaise taise kr k course complete kiya.or job k
naam pe main pichle 1.5 yr se sirf interviews diye h.ye institutes
student k lyf barbaad krte h..let me tell u one thing sare
institute phle missguide krenge juthe wade krenge politician k
trah,us k baad agr aap owner ya director se baat krna chaho
baat nhi krne denge.poor students kha jayenge.ek or baat is
blog k Author pe kai logo ne sawal uthaye h k unhone self study
nhi k hogi apni nakamyabi thopa h vajiram&ravi pe..jo aisa
bolte h un k liye mera jwab h k guru wo hota h jo pathar ko hira
bna de.heere ko heera sb bna lete h.or jo sch me padhana
chahte h un k liye fees itna mayne nhi rakhta..koi mujhe
btayega kitne institue h delhi m jinhone apne 1% students ko
free padhaya yha paisa kamane k liye intitute kholte h.or aisa
nhi h k paise na le pr limit m le.ye log hamara paisa or samay
dono barbaad krte h.rhi baat ips k to sach ye h k self study bettr
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h jo paise hm inhe denge un paiso se achi books khrid skte
h,bado k salah le skte h.mai v ips bnna chahti hu pr itna fee nhi
h mere pass.so ek idea h jin logo ko v taiyari krni h or itne paise
nhi h k fee pay kr sake wey log kyn nhi sath mil k padhte h.sb k
ek speciality hoti h.sb ek dusre us subject me
padhayenge.atleast try to kr skte h.or rivelry k baat hi nhi honi
chaiye kyn k saal kam logo ko hi leti h.kyn bht un k criteria m
aateii hi nhi h.so any one intrested in group study reply me
NOVEMBER 28, 2013 AT 11: 25 PM
Aaruney Rahul said...
Dear Ratna mishra,
mai bhi UPSC aspirant hoon, but mai koi coaching join nahi
karna chahta. Not cos i dont have money isliye kyoki mai in
murgo ko aur khilana nahi chahta.I am studying on my own
searching material on internet, cos now-a-days UPSC asks for
latest knoweledge which can be obtained from net alone. If u
wan to join me , contact me on [email protected]
We will share study materials, others are also welcome to join.
DECEMBER 23, 2013 AT 9:14 PM
Aaruney Rahul said...
And one more thing, Mai chennai se hu, yaha vajiram & ravi ka
material book shop me milta hai. When i saw it , was like very
bulky. It is easy to include a book on each topic and say it is full
material, even I can do that. I can provide one lorry full of
material on UPSC that doesnt mean I am good at preparing
material.
DECEMBER 23, 2013 AT 9:20 PM
Aaruney Rahul said...
Dear Ratna mishra,
mai bhi UPSC aspirant hoon, but mai koi coaching join nahi
karna chahta. Not cos i dont have money isliye kyoki mai in
murgo ko aur khilana nahi chahta.I am studying on my own
searching material on internet, cos now-a-days UPSC asks for
latest knoweledge which can be obtained from net alone. If u
wan to join me , contact me on [email protected]
We will share study materials, others are also welcome to join.
DECEMBER 23, 2013 AT 9:26 PM
namita goyal said...
hello ratna mishra and rahul
even m doing self study at home for ias 2014 . i am planning to
join vajiram this year but nw after reading the reviews m really
confused... pls tell me abt urself which subjects are u
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JANUARY 30, 2014 AT 8:09 PM
Ayush Chaturvedi said...
me too want to join you all...i am also the IAS aspirant.MY
EMAIL ID IS [email protected]
FEBRUARY 8, 2014 AT 9: 41 AM
Anuj Bagraniya said...
Holla Mates !!
I was plannin to join V&R in june dis year, for the year long
course of pre-cum-mains, but after going thru all these
perceptions and reviews of urs, am in a state of complete
dillema :/
Can anybody tell me if not V&R, den wat are other options one
can have when it comes to coaching institutes in Delhi ?
Please feel free to reply or shoot a mail ;)
[email protected]
MARCH 1, 2014 AT 3:26 PM
Pulkit Sharma said...
I was also planning to join Vajiram for the upcoming July 2014
batch but now I have a big question mark on my face whether
to join this institute or not.
If any experienced Senior having any idea about which
coaching to join as this will be my first attempt and I don't want
to waste it just like that.
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