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Nannygate: Tip of the iceberg?
Spat over arrest of Indian envoy comes amid strained ties between India and US over China and Bangladesh among others. One of India's veteran diplomats, Nirupama Rao, has asked a pertinent question - did the US not weigh the disastrous consequences when it allowed marshals to arrest Indian deputy-consul in New York, Devyani Khobragade, and humiliate her by strip-searching and cavity-searching! Rao, a former Indian foreign secretary and an ex-ambassador to the US, is shocked. "This incident has created a crater in the bilateral relationship and we in India have reasons to protest the way we have," Rao said, as she prepared for a stint as a Fellow at the USA's Brown University. The fracas involving Devyani and her maid Sangeeta Richard has been building up for a while. Both had filed complaints against each other – the diplomat alleging the maid was 'blackmailing' her to get herself settled in the US and trying to extort money, while the maid alleged under-payment and being overworked. But when Devyani was arrested and humiliated, the Indians were taken by surprise, because this happened immediately after India's Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh ended a visit to Washington. Now there is evidence that the US embassy in Delhi had issued special T series visas to the maid Sangeeta Richard and her entire family – and that it was cleared by the State Department to do so. The US authorities have used the term 'evacuation' to describe the flying out of the Richard family because they feared Devyani's family was trying to silence them through 'retaliatory action' in Indian courts. The fact that the Richards got their new Indian passports as they prepared to leave for the US belies the claim that Indian authorities were joining Devyani in her so-called retaliatory action against maid Sangeeta. Or else she would not have got a new passport. Vibrant democracy President Barack Obama has said during his last visit to India that India's judiciary was one of the pillars of her vibrant democracy. Indian politicians have been at the receiving end of judicial activism and even senior members of the judiciary have not been spared investigation on allegations of corruption or sexual misconduct.

So why do US diplomats fear the judiciary would favour Devyani! A Supreme Court judgmement on a case moved by her batch-mate actually pulled up the Ministry of External Affairs for favouring Devyani on choice of language at the beginning of her career. India's top officials now feel that the 'evacuation' was a well-planned operation because it was done in total secrecy and timed to precede Devyani's arrest that came soon after Sujatha Singh left Washington, with many contentious issues unresolved. It resembled the 'exfil' of a top CIA asset in India’s external intelligence Ravinder Singh in 2004, when Singh vanished from Delhi, dodging counter-intelligence surveillance already in place against him and flew into US via Nepal. India did not press hard on the issue because it failed to get incontrovertible evidence and also because it would have spoiled the bonhomie in the rundown to the India-US nuclear deal. The feeling in Delhi's policy-making circles is that action such as Devyani's arrest and humiliation are generally done to send a strong message. But why would a strategic partner and an ally try sending a strong message to a friend? Strained ties

This incident has created a crater in the bilateral relationship and we in India have reasons to protest the way we have
Nirupama Rao, Former Indian ambassador to the US

In the past one year or so, ties between India and the US have been tense with the two often publicly disagreeing on contentious regional issues. The spat between the US and Indian envoys in Dhaka has been reported in the Bangladesh media, where the perception is that India is trying to support Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina’s party and the US is keen on a regime change to bring the BNP-Jamaate-Islami alliance to power. India has argued that it would not interfere in Bangladesh’s internal affairs, which means it would let Hasina go ahead with the January 5 parliamentary polls that the entire opposition is boycotting.

The US was keen that India would push the ruling Awami League party hard to concede to a 'level playing field' for the opposition, meaning polls under a non-political caretaker which it wanted. Indian diplomats were quoted in Bangladesh and India as saying that the two countries were 'not on the same page' as far as Bangladesh was concerned. The disagreements forced the US' Dhaka envoy Dan Mozena to fly to Delhi for discussions with Indian officials. But no agreement emerged as India continued to argue that it had serious concerns over the Jamaat in view of its alleged links to radical terror groups. The Western press has blamed India for 'looking the other way' as Hasina goes ahead with a one-sided elections. The US also feels that Afghan President Hamid Karzai is refusing to sign the USproposed Bilateral Security Pact with Indian encouragement because the last time Karzai spoke out strongly against signing the pact without getting what he wanted was in Delhi on December 14. India has denied the charge. 'Handshake across the Himalayas' That would give the US the feeling that Karzai was so brazen in opposition, and his discussions with Indian officials have something to do with it. Indian officials sound a line similar to the one taken on Bangladesh. Karzai has reservations and domestic compulsions and India likes to leave him to decide whether he should sign the pact and when if that be so. "We can't interfere in the internal affairs of a country run by someone we consider to be a friend" seems to be the Indian line on Bangladesh and Afghanistan – something that would upset the US in no small measure. But it is India's strong and friendly engagement with China which would upset Washington more than anything else. Confronted with the surcharged atmosphere back home over alleged Chinese "incursions" last year, India moved decisively to defuse them with a border defence cooperation agreement within a few months. In between, the Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang came to India offering a 'handshake across the Himalayas' and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited Beijing to oversee a host of agreements, that included border defence cooperation and sharing information on common rivers.

Now India is moving ahead with China on implementing the BCIM (Bangladesh-ChinaIndia-Myanmar) "economic corridor" around the friendship road connecting the four nations. The last BCIM meeting in Kunming agreed on 'joint research' to find ways to establish the dream 'economic corridor'. Sino-Indian bonhomie The US has not formally reacted to the Sino-Indian bonhomie, but many in its establishment feel the Indian engagement with China is diluting its 'Asian rebalancing', which aims to contain the Dragon through a network of security and economic alliance involving China's rimland nations like India, Japan, Vietnam, Australia and the ASEAN. "You guys are letting the Chinese off the hook when all other neighbours are reacting sharply to their aggressive intentions" was how a senior US academic known for close relations to the State Department described the feelings in Washington. The US is the big brother in any such alliance and it expects allies to fall in line and follow ground rules laid down by Washington. So if the US flies its B-52s over the Chinese identification zone, it would expect Japan and South Korea to do the same. When that happens, US has good reasons to treat Japan and South Korea as useful – and loyal – allies. It cannot put up with 'handshake across the Himalayas' after a huge border spat between India and China - and cannot appreciate why India has done what it has. It has its own ideas of balancing Asia - where it sees an engagement with both China and its neighbours as well with Australia and the US as key to maintain Asia as a continent of peace and tranquility rather than one of conflict. India has reasons to be upset with Obama’s protectionism and the reforms that threatens its IT companies. The US has reasons to be upset with India’s insistence on liability for US companies trying to sell nuclear reactors. In fact, Manmohan Singh's back-tracking on the nuclear liability issue has not gone down well in India where memories of the Bhopal disaster (and the failure to bring the US company responsible for it to book) still rankles. There were major differences between the two strategic partners over Iran, but with Obama changing tack, Delhi feels relieved as it finds a way to revive its traditionally warm ties with Iran without upsetting the US. Former State Department official William Avery's book China’s nightmare, America’s Dream: India the next Super Power is instructive on what India needs to do to belong to the powerful US-driven global club.

Until India abandons its independent foreign policy, agrees to the US dictations in the neighbourhood, and follow Uncle Sam’s lead on China, the heat and dust over l'affaire Devyani will not go away, and such incidents will topple out of the closet once in a while. (Subir Bhaumik , a senior Fellow with Indian think-tank, Centre for Studies in International Relations & Development (CSIRD), is a former BBC correspondent and author) The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.
 o o A.G.
• 8 hours ago

India has every right to be shocked with this outrageous arrest. But I suggest to set aside conspiracy theories. Don't hate America. American people at large have no animosity toward your country. Of course we have a fair amount of morons here, and in a free country every moron entitled to his/her opinion. But the problem is not that there was a "plan" to "send message" to India because of Indian-Chinese politics or other issues. The problem is that we have the most unprofessional White House in the whole history of the U.S. Their right hand does not know what the left does. I am sure Obama was not involved in granting passports to maid's family and most likely did not order the arrest of your diplomat. That's why nobody calculated the Indian reaction. U.S. Marshals Service conducted cavity search not to humiliate India, but because it is a "standard procedure" and nobody from Washington told them otherwise because they found out about the event from the media. This is how this White House operates. It's a shame, but that's what it is. State Secretary Kerry is not very bright, but he is obsessed with Middle East "peace" on the level of mental illness, and he does not monitor personally anything else. I have no interest to defend him, but I m sure he did not know either. Now we have this mess but we need to make sure the good relations between the 2 countries will not suffer. The government here is now looking at measures to prevent these things happening in the future. The plan is to re-classify domestic employees of foreign diplomats into the employees of the mother country to avoid being subjected to U.S. labor laws. They can do it by passing the bill in Congress or simply via bilateral agreements with each country. They are also looking at other issues that might trigger problems in the future. Now about Devyani. Unfortunately her transfer to the U.N. would not save her from prosecution because her new much stronger immunity is not retroactive. U.S. judiciary is independent, but it would be naive to think that judges never listen to the "recommendations" from "above" in high profile cases. Probably she will get suspended sentence or might be acquitted completely. In the unlikely event that she gets the real term to serve, Obama will surely pardon her. He certainly does not want you to arrest his

diplomats in Delhi - many U.S. diplomats lived there with gay partners which is against the law in India. Even if your Supreme Court moves to legalize homosexuality, your government of course also may tell "American friends" that your laws are not "retroactive". Nobody wants to make things worse as they are. Give us some time. Our White House is slow, torn by contradictory political forces and ineffective. But they want to rectify this mess. On the other hand, it is certainly necessary to investigate who in the U.S. embassy issued visas for the maid's family, obviously someone in the Consular section, and who in the Indian Interior ministry allowed to give them Indian passports in the first place? Did one of your officials get a bribe? Or is this another case of government being too big and not knowing what's going on? You see, you people share some blame. Not many people know that war in Iraq was successfully organized by a relatively low level vice presidential adviser Lewis Libby, known in the White House by the nickname "Scooter". He "scootered" U.S. into the dumb war which was expensive, unnecessary and cost lives both to Iraqis and Americans. Saddam Hussein, the former leader of Iraq, bad as he was kept the lead on terror in the Middle East. His fall unleashed that terror. Sometimes an unknown mid-level White House official may "organize" things for the reasons known only to him. And if the story with Devyani belongs to the same category, it should be investigated. Bottom line, please calm down, give us some time, do your investigation with cool heads, without emotions and don't throw the baby with the bath.
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o Piyush Sharma A.G.
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Thank you, A.G., I was expecting these types of comments from some wise Americans, you are the second one. Love from India. (I was angry before today, but I talked with some other Americans and Indians, now I cooled down).
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o guest A.G.
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Libby at best was a patsy and traitor
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 Philip Wong
• 12 hours ago

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Dear India, if you don't want your people charged with crimes, then please don't send corrupt law-breakers to the U.S. Thanks!
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o Hypocrite Philip Wong
• 9 hours ago





Read Article 48 of the Vienna Convention. It allows a diplomat of the sending state (India) to pay a private servant as per Social Security Norms of the sending state if the private servant is a citizen of the sending state. You are ignorant of the rampant abuse of immigration laws in the state of Kerala from where the maid comes from. The victim in this case being a Consular Officer just made her way to Permanent Resident a bit harder. The maid had agreed verbally and also the second agreement was signed in India before she left for the US. The maid had relatives in the US Embassy and knew the US laws perfectly. She clearly tricked the Consular Officer since she had a choice of rejecting the deal in India itself. What business did US have in whisking away her Husband to US when there was a case pending against him?
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o ThirdWorldCharlie Philip Wong
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India THINKS it is already a Super Power. The reaction to the incident is way out of line. Both sides have some kernel of truth on their side, but India blew it out of proportion.
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o John Ellis Philip Wong
• 12 hours ago

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Such hypocrisy, for you people of the 51% most wealthy voting majority, all you give us is a starvation wage of $7.25 an hour, just $15k a year.

Compare this to India maid who receives $4 an hour plus room and board in a swanky home, plus transportation, unlimited telephone service, free use of a TV, all kinds of entertainment and no doubt deluxe healthcare
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 Philip Wong John Ellis
• 11 hours ago

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Sure, let's pretend that immigration and labor laws don't exist. And then we can pretend that none of the other laws exist either. Thanks for your pearls of wisdom. Moron.
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 efbya Philip Wong
• 7 hours ago

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The problem with some immigrants like you is that as soon as you get a US citizenship, you start acting more American than an American himself. In this case, the US attorney (Preet Barara) who ordered the arrest of the Indian diplomat, surprising even Obama administration, is an Indian born immigrant. Have you heard about Raymond Davis, who killed two Pakistanis, for whom US claimed diplomatic immunity? Or the US diplomat in Kenya (Joshua Walde) who ran over several Kenyans with a SUV, whom US hurriedly evacuated to avoid prosecution? Don't your principles apply to them?

The point is, a diplomat represents a country. You need to show some tact while dealing with their mess if you want to maintain good relationship with their host country.
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 Hanover Fist efbya
• 5 hours ago

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"The point is, a diplomat represents a country." I couldn't agree more, but this is exactly why for the life of me I can't figure out why Obama sent a 100% Homosexual Diplomatic Staff to the Indian Mission with their Homosexual Spouses if Homosexuality is illegal in India? If I was India I would lock them all up.
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 Piyush Sharma Hanover Fist
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HA HA HA........LOL, From day one you are saying this and showing your anger that Obama sent a gay diplomatic staff. But, how do you know that they all are gay??
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 Abu Maryam Philip Wong
• 9 hours ago

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Having laws is one thing and its impartial enforcement is another.
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 SK
• 11 hours ago

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When did lying on the visa form by an Indian diplomat become nanny-gate. A diplomat should know better than lying on visa form; specially the one active for human rights. It is ironical how the support is going to the law breaking diplomat and her employee is painted grey! I would agree with Shekhar Gupta's views on this, if sensible is what you like.
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o John Ellis SK
• 10 hours ago

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The ruling elite of our Empire, they orchestrated this affair knowing full well that it would cause a violent reaction in the population of India and the absolute worst thing that the ruling elite of India would ever want to see. For our pivot toward China is being wasted by India diplomacy, so this sharp jab to crouch of the India diplomatic corps should do the trick.
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 John Ellis
• 12 hours ago

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Obama being a most deceitful liar with not the slightest vestige of integrity, no doubt he personally ordered that the dear lady suffer such sexual humiliation. How dare India inhibit the Obama quest for global power and glory.
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 guest
• 12 hours ago

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india incited and arranged mass protest against the US just like some muslim countries are doing. what is the endgame? teaming up with russia instead of the US? as if russia would take you while they have china
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o Philip Wong guest
• 12 hours ago

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No big difference between India and some of those muslim countries. They all try to hide their suckage behind conspiracy theories and lies.
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 Azad
• 9 hours ago

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India as well as USA and other countries of the world, please respect laws of the other countries otherwise stopped declaring yourself as civilized and democratic countries of the world. Let every criminal face the law and do not support any violator this will help civilizing the world otherwise,,,,,,,,destruction is awaiting
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o John Ellis Azad
• 9 hours ago

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Violating the autonomy and immunity of a diplomat, surely this is a greater crime then petty theft.
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 mbbarry John Ellis
• 4 hours ago

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You have no idea between being a Consular member and a diplomat, do you?
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 John Ellis mbbarry
• 3 hours ago

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Be they a diplomat or politician, if a foreign government has elevated them to a position of immunity, then who are we to defy the will of the government in power?
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 mbbarry John Ellis
• 2 hours ago

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The "we" is international law.
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 guest mbbarry
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what is the difference ?? are both covered under VC ?
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 mbbarry guest
• 3 hours ago

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Type Diplomatic Immunity and look for in wiki
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 guest mbbarry
• 3 hours ago

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Even if the arrest was legal, her treatment including handcuffing and a strip-search could amount to violations of Article 41(3) which requires that criminal proceedings against a consular officer be conducted “with the respect due to [her] by reason of [her] official position.” In sum, the arrest itself appears to be legal. However, a challenge to the manner of the arrest and the subsequent treatment may be tenable. from thehindu
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 Hanover Fist
• 6 hours ago

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"President Barack Obama has said during his last visit to India that India's judiciary was one of the pillars of her vibrant democracy."

Yep, here is the problem, you stupid phuucking Indians actually listened to him. If India had a Judiciary that was worth anything it would have convicted more than one person of rape in the last year. Then India passes a Supreme Court Ruling against Gay Sex in opposition to Obama. I actually like the way that author goes into detail about all the corrupt underhanded dealings with Barack Obama, far to many people on this Forum don't give Obama the credit he deserves for screwing up the works world wide. But the Author unfortunately falls short of being capable of being able to show everything because the US is cutting deals right now for the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP and all of the decisions are being kept TOP SECRET, we thank thank our Governments for hiding the rules from the people. Now why on earth would non-combat and non-military Government agreements over national intellectual property be TOP SECRET? Maybe because it screws over the people? I will give the author credit for this though, he recognizes that the Obama Administration is wheeling and dealing on every issue inside of India and greasing palms where needed to make things happen. I wish most people would look inside the coup in Egypt and see why so many Egyptians were telling Obama and his diplomats to leave, then they will see just how much of what happened in India, Tunisia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and Libya had Barack Obama's fingerprints on it.
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o guest Hanover Fist
• 5 hours ago

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supreme courts does not make laws.
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 Hanover Fist guest
• 5 hours ago

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Which Country?
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 Piyush Sharma Hanover Fist
• 4 hours ago

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You are right But India can't do it because it will destroy the Indo-US relations and is not in the favor of both country. Now, We have to close this chapter.
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 guest Hanover Fist
• 5 hours ago

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in all democracies. Supreme courts upholds the laws passed by the legislature. It's the job of the legislature to pass or amend laws. do you know who made torture legal in US ???


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 Hanover Fist guest
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Not all Countries Operate like the US Where the Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court determines if they are legal or not. Some Countries the Supreme Court decides the laws. Supreme Courts around the world have varying degrees of Authority. Now "do you know who made torture legal in US ???" we could go round and round on this one determining what your point of view is. You could argue that Congress made Torture legal in order for Bush to continue to interrogate prisoners, or you could argue that it has never been made illegal. Then you could argue that the Bill or Rights makes torture illegal of US Citizens but does nothing for foreigners. But you could also say that the US Banned Torture when if Ratified the Geneva Convention. Common Article 3 prevents people from treating others with cruel treatment or torture, but the Geneva Convention nor the Hague Conference protect foreign guerilla Fighters or Pirates, and those are the people we have locked up in GITMO.
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 guest Hanover Fist
• 5 hours ago

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go find out who made torture legal in US. It is very relevant to this discussion. Job of the highest court is to uphold the laws and constitution.

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 Hanover Fist guest
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Your going to have to be a bit more specific, there are a lot of cases that can go back and forth on this one? Are you specifically noting congress or legal cases that went to the Supreme court like the Rumsfeld case? Because Congress ruled that they could continue torture in 2005 and the Supreme Court set a new Precedent in 2006. As I said we can go round and round on this one, there are many time torture has been before the courts in ever armed conflict since the history of the US?
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 guest Hanover Fist
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Jay Scott Bybee (born October 27, 1953) is a federal judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. He has published numerous articles in law journals[1] and has taught in law school. His primary research interests are in constitutional and administrative law. While serving in the Bush administration as the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, United States Department of Justice, he signed the controversial Torture Memos in August 2002. These authorized certain enhanced interrogation

techniques, widely viewed as torture, that were used against detainees at Guantanamo Bay detention camp beginning in 2002 and at Abu Ghraib following the United States' invasion of Iraq in 2003.
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 Hanover Fist guest
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Thank you for being specific. I have always thought of this as a modification of terminology, something our legal system has become infected with to save it skin in the court of law. The term "Enhanced Interrogations" is nothing more than a term for torture in which the person is not permanently injured, but it' still torture the same as the Chinese Water torture, which is real but psychologically brutal over time. But in 2006 the Supreme Court ruled it did have Jurisdiction over the GITMO Trials even though it did not prior which gave it Precedent to reside over all future GITMO Trials and basically brought the end to the Military Trials of GITMO Detainees. Because most of the people at GITMO received enhanced interrogation their testimony and the information obtained could no longer be used in court and it became impossible to hold a trial for them. This is why there was a huge push to send many of these prisoners back to their own country, because now that the Supreme Court had set a Precedent over the GITMO trials no further evidence could be used. The people remaining in GITMO are a challenge. We are prevented from sending them back to their own country if we know that country will torture or kill them like the Uighurs we were trying to send back to China, and then some of their countries won't take them even if we could, and then you have some that are so bad that they should never see the light of day again. I said once before I would agree with GITMO if it was an international Court and Prison facility where the entire planet sends their worst Prisoners and Prisoners without

Nationalities. But because it is US only it makes it just one more reason to hate Americans.
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 mbbarry guest
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He was not a judge at the time and even today he is not a member of the Supreme Court. So your point?
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 guest mbbarry
• 4 hours ago

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no point. In India the judiciary upholds the existing laws and constitutionality of laws passed by the legislature.
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 mbbarry Hanover Fist
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I thought the same.
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o John Ellis Hanover Fist
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If root cause of problem is the 51% most wealthy hoarding all the wealth, then are you not off topic?
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 Gerry Patey
• 3 hours ago

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All over a snot girl who thought she was above such things. I'm sure the story of her having unpaid servants is made up to protect the USA. Still doesn't make up for the fact, she thought she could walk through anywhere. Mom and Dad obviously did not tell her about 9/11.

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o John Ellis Gerry Patey
• 3 hours ago

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The arrest was orchestrated by Obama for political reasons.
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 Abu Maryam
• 9 hours ago

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Bonds of friendship dwindle with age, little blackmail lasts forever. India - understand the concerns of Uncle Sam and you may be able to joyfully talk about " our vibrant democracies"
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o John Ellis Abu Maryam
• 9 hours ago

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No, never do bonds of friendship dwindle with age, not unless your surrounded by money friends. Never been blackmailed, so this must be only for those with deep pockets No, it is not India that needs to better comprehend our corrupt Empire, quite the reverse.
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 4thaugust1932
• 9 hours ago

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America is the source and rest of the world is sink, unless you're an export oriented economy like Japan/China/Germany. Google "Nixon Shock".
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o John Ellis 4thaugust1932
• 9 hours ago

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Export and import nothing, everyone go Green and the only form of transportation is to walk or bike.
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 daniel
• 10 hours ago

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UNMASKING MUHAMMAD
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o John Ellis daniel
• 10 hours ago

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Off topic.
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o Boncos daniel
• 7 hours ago

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MAGGOT-SIZED D!CK OF THE SCRAWNY LOSER PRICK ON THE CROSS HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN A FLACCID MODE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA....WHAT A PATHETIC LOSER, NO?
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 Boncos
• 8 hours ago

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In addition to those plausible allegations that the author has mentioned, I can also always say that it has always been the possibility of small-scale retaliation of what the Indian delegation has done during the recent meeting of the underworld crime of the WTO in Bali when the Indian delegation was initially both firm and adamant in protecting its poorest farmers; however, after the intensive lobby by the host country, India finally softened its tone and the so-called WTO has finally come in agreement. Then as a result, WTO chief Roberto Azevedo said, "For the first time in our history, the WTO has truly delivered. This time the entire membership came together. We have put the 'world' back in World Trade Organisation," he said. "We're back in business … Bali is just the beginning." Why did India finally agree to soften its tone after the intensive lobby by the host country of the WTO meeting in Bali? Could it be because it wanted to protect its big automobile market of the host country of the WTO in Bali? Anything is possible and we all know that it’s just about money in the end of the day. And what was in it for the host country of during the recent meeting of the underworld crime of the WTO in Bali? We all know that

the Shell Oil Company said that it would commit itself to investing up until $25bn in the host country of the WTO. Maybe it’s time for India to learn to live like a good janitor as the host country of the WTO meeting in Bali has long demonstrated? We all know that even the tiny-dot country Singapore has long used the airspace of the host country of the WTO meeting in Bali over the islands of Riau and its Natuna Sea as MTA (Military Training Areas) 1 and 2 to be used as the training areas for Singaporean so-called air force and navy respectively. And what do those MTA (Military Training Areas) 1 and 2 for the host country of the WTO meeting in Bali? Both any airplanes and any ships and even local fishermen are strictly banned from entering MTA (Military Training Areas) 1 and 2 respectively and the host country of the WTO meeting in Bali can still happily live with those facts ever after. Go figure.

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