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8/16/2010 12:03:49 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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According to the bible, God the Father sent His only begotten Son Jesus to die on the Cross to pay the required
price for the sins of mankind. Our salvation is based on us repenting of our sins and believing that Jesus the
Christ is our Lord and Savior. The bible teaches that this is the only way to salvation.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
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The Oneness or Jesus-Only doctrine has changed the requirements for salvation. They say that to receive
salvation,,you must also be water baptized and baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking with
other tongues.While I agree that all Christians should be Water Baptised and Baptised with the Holy Spirit with
the evidence of speaking in tongues,, I disagree that it is required for salvation. They are providing another
Jesus,, one that seemeth right but leadeth to hell. I present this out of Christian love that no body should
lose their soul.
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is
in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath
not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:13-18 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) .
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised
him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the
truth.

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the
Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the
Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the
beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but
as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye
shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be
ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. 1 John 2:20-29
(KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of
the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5 (KJV)
With the help of others,, we will expose this evil doctrine using the Word of God,,,,
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here again we have a body of believers who are good, upstanding, well- motivated people. It might well
be asked, "If they are Christians and want to do what's right, how can they go so far wrong in their
doctrine?" The answer, of course, is that even the best motivated of hearts can stumble when the head
leads it down an errant path. I believe their motivation is right, while their performance is in error. Should
we chance divisiveness by discussing the doctrinal misconceptions they promote? While I shun
argument for the sake of argument, I feel in this case we should. This is not a simple matter of "to each
his own." The Word of God is given to us to be our staff against the world, our strength, and our guide to
proper doctrine. The Word tells us to rightly divide the Word (II Timothy 3:16).
God gave us His Word so we could, through study and application, develop sound doctrine. Admittedly, all fall
short of complete knowledge of God's intent for us in this day. I believe God deliberately left some fine points
obscured so we would\have\to study His Word as an ongoing and perpetual component of our Christian life. I do
feel, however, that there is a difference between freedom to search out God's meaning from His Word, and
license to promote doctrines which are barely suggested within the Word.
ORIGIN
The "New Issue" erupted within the Pentecostal movement about 1914. While it started as a friendly debate over
the question of the correct method for water baptism, it quickly developed into a fierce controversy over the
nature of the Godhead. The argument in those early days was basically over the effort to reconcile the words of
the Lord in Matthew 28:19 and Peter's words in Acts 2:38. Suddenly the thing exploded. Those who practiced
baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (Jesus Only) claimed a special revelation from the Lord which would result in
the correct manner of water baptism. And, you might ask, what was this tremendous, tradition-defying revelation?
In effect it was this: Peter introduced the new baptismal method at Pentecost because, supposedly, the
Holy Ghost had revealed unto him that the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is
Jesus Christ. In other words, their "revelation" was that there is only one person in the Godhead and that
is Jesus Christ. They also vehemently opposed the doctrine of the Trinity, claiming it was of human
origin.
The argument became more heated, the controversy more explosive, and the split grew wider.

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in_gods_service

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Again, I agree with your post.

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8/16/2010 1:51:28 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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1. THREE GODS OR ONE?
We teach there is one God manifest in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.
The Jesus Only people teach that Christ is the Father, He is the Son and He is the Holy Ghost. Hence the name,
Jesus Only. I believe we can provide proper evidence from the Word of God that this is not the case and that the
teaching advanced by these people is erroneous and does not accord proper due and honor to the Godhead.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
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The Scripture does state there is one God. But the word "one" relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7
clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct persons: the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Ghost. The three are spoken of as one in number and yet treated individually in Scripture.
There is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, and one Holy Ghost (I Corinthians 8:6; Ehpesians 4:3-6).
Thus there are three separate persons in divine individuality and divine plurality. The Father is called God (I
Corinthians 8:6), the Son is called God (Isaiah 9:6-7; Hebrews 1:8; John 1:1-2) and the Holy Spirit is called God
(Acts 5:3- 4). Individually, each is called God; collectively, they can be spoken of as one God because of their
perfect unity. The word "God" can be used either in the singular or in the plural, like sheep. Everything that could
pertain to God collectively could also apply equally to each member of the Godhead as individuals. However,
there are some particulars which relate to each individual person of the deity as to position, office, and work that
could not be attributed to either of the other members of the Godhead. For instance, the Father is the head of
Christ (I Corinthians 11:3). The Son is the only begotten of the Father (II John 1:3). The Holy Ghost proceeds
from both the Father and the Son (John 14:16; Acts 2:3-4).
ELOHIM
The names of God prove plurality of persons. The Hebrew word Elohim, translated "God" in Genesis 1:1 and also
in more than 2,700 other places in the Old Testament, is a uniplural noun which means "more than one." Had the
sacred writer been led to use the singular El, then there would have been no indication of a divine plurality. But in
this initial reference to God, he was led of the Holy Ghost to pen the Word Elohim (Genesis 1:1). Also when one
considers that the word Elohim is used about ten to one over the word El, we would have to conclude that this
preference for the plural over the singular indicates a definite sign of plurality in the Godhead.

PLURALITY IN SCRIPTURES
Genesis 3:22, where it says, "the man has become as one of us," proves plurality of persons by the use of the
pronoun "us." Two Lords are mentioned in Genesis 19:24--one on earth and one in heaven. Two Lords sit side by
side in Psalms 110:1-5, in Matthew 22:44, and in Acts 2:33-34, 36. Two and three Persons are mentioned in the
introductions to many New Testament books: Romans, James, I Corinthians, I Peter, to name a few.
JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER
Only one Scripture in the Word of God states that Jesus is the Father. This is found in Isaiah, chapter 9, and it is
a Hebrew idiom concerning the terminology of the Jews. And we know from the Word of God that while Jesus
was on earth the Father was in heaven (Matthew 5:16-48). We also know (from Scripture) that Christ now sits at
the right hand of the Father. Jesus said He would confess men before His Father which was in heaven, proving
He (Jesus) is not Himself the Father (Matthew 10:32; Revelation 3:5). Jesus always prayed to the Father as a
separate person (Matthew 11:25). Both Jesus and Satan refer to God apart from Jesus (Matthew 4:6-10). Jesus
was the only begotten Son of the Father. Hence, Jesus could not be the Father, nor could He beget Himself
(John 1:14). Over 80 times in the Word f God Jesus affirmed that He was not the Father, nor was He the only
person in the Godhead.
Admittedly, we do not understand everything about the Trinity. However, it does become somewhat less
confusing and mysterious if we don't try to force two or more separate Persons into becoming only one Person,
simply because we choose not to recognize that the true meaning of the word "one" actually refers to unity. So
what we have is, only one Scripture (easily explained) in the Old Testament stating that Jesus is the Father, and
so very, very many confirming that He is not the Father.
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT JESUS OR THE FATHER
The Holy Spirit is another and He is from both the Father and the Son (John 5:32). So that the Holy Spirit could
come, it was necessary that Jesus go away (John 16:5-15). Even then, though, He could not be sent from God
until Christ was glorified. But at that time He would be sent from both the Father and the Son (John 7:37-39). The
Holy Spirit was sent from the Father to endue Jesus with power. This clearly requires three persons--the One who
sent Him, and the One being sent, and the One who received Him!
A clear distinction is made between the Son who prays, the Father to whom He prays, and the Holy Spirit for
whom (which) He prays (John 14:16).
The descent of the Holy Spirit acknowledged the arrival of Jesus in heaven to sit at the right hand of God, thus
proving three separate and distinct persons (Acts 2:33-34; John 7:39).
So, what do we have? Jesus is God; the Holy Ghost is God; the Father is God. But Jesus is not the Holy Spirit;
Jesus is not the Father. And neither is the Father the Lord Jesus Christ; nor is the Father the Holy Spirit.
The scriptural passages which provide the basis for the Trinitarian doctrine cannot be reconciled to the Jesus
Only position without totally disregarding the meaning of language and without totally ignoring many contrary
Scriptures. On the other hand, the favorite Jesus Only passages can be reconciled without strain or contradiction
to the Trinitarian position.

Thank you In_Gods_Service for support God's truth.

8/16/2010 2:25:44 PM

detluvr
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8/16/2010 2:41:05 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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If you look at the rest of the Bible God states: several times that God is
Holy also that God is spirit. If God is holy and spirit then He is the Holy Spirit or are there 2 separate Holy Spirits?
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Also John 14:6. Jesus is life Romans 8:2 Spirit of Life, 1 Tim. 6:15 Jesus is Lord of Lords, duet. 10:17 God is Lord
of Lords , Gen.1:2 Spirit of God, Rev.1:8 Jesus is the Almighty ,Gen 17:1 God is the almighty, John8:58 Jesus is I
AM, ex. 3:14 God is I AM, Matt. 10:20 Spirit of the Father, Is. 61:1 Spirit of the LordGod ,Gal. 4:6 Spirit of the Son
!!! There are many more!!! Read and use - apply the whole Word!
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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2. THE FORMULA FOR WATER BAPTISM (Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:38)
The Trinitarians baptize according to Matthew 28:19, using the words of the Lord Jesus Christ where He
said that we should baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. We do this
for many reasons, and I will go into many of the details concerning the differences between the two
baptismal formulas.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
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The Jesus Only people affirm that the Matthew 28:19 method is not once found in the book of Acts and was
unknown in the early church, but was introduced centuries later by apostates in total disregard of apostolic
practice. Trinitarians are, therefore, admonished to conform to the scriptural pattern and to follow the example of
those who had the true "revelation" of the name.
The Jesus Only people claim that the words Father and Son do not constitute names. We maintain they
do. We believe that Matthew 28:19 definitely confirms that "Father" is a name, that "Son" is a name, that
"Holy Ghost" is a name, simply because we are not generalizing just any father or just any son. We are
talking about God the Father, and God the Son; and most anyone in Christendom today would readily
recognize and know Who is being spoken of.
In Isaiah 9:6 the Bible says His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting
Father, the Prince of Peace. Each one of these appellations would be labeled a title by Jesus Only interpreters,
but Isaiah's text calls each one a name. This is also the one verse of Scripture in the entirety of God's Word
where Jesus Christ is called the Father; and still, somehow, these people are blinded to the fact that the verse
actually disproves their theory concerning titles and names, simply because it gives the name of "Father" to
Jesus.
So I simply ask a question. According to Isaiah, isn't "Wonderful" a name? Isn't "Prince of Peace" a name? Isaiah
uses five different names here and yet, under divine inspiration, he specifically chose the singular when he said,
"And His name shall be called...." So what more needs to be said in answer to this strange insistence that if
"Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" are names (plural), then Matthew 28:19 should read in the names of? The writers,
under divine inspiraton, used the singular instead of the plural. They did it for a divine reason.
THE BOOK OF ACTS AND THE BAPTISMAL FORMULA
There is not a single incident in the book of Acts where any particular baptismal method is given. There
is no record of the dialogue of the baptizer while standing in the water with the convert. You can look in

vain for any Scripture which would state, "I baptize thee in the name of Jesus Christ" (or any other
variation of the precious name of our Lord). If one could produce such an explicit procedure, I would be
thrilled to admit that we have a scriptural right to baptize thus, but it cannot be produced. It doesn't exist.
This immeasurably weakens the Jesus Only position. They have read into the record that which is not there. They
have taken the words of Peter, assumed that they were the properly expressed formula, and placed them onto
the lips of those who baptized in water--without a shred of evidence to support their action. The Jesus Only
proponents claim that Acts 2:38 is the baptismal formula. And yet Acts 8:16 and Acts 19:5 simply state they were
baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And if you will notice, in these two latter verses the word "Christ" was
omitted altogther.
If Peter, on the day of Pentecost, received a baptism "revelation" which the Jesus Only proponents claim is "in the
name of Jesus Christ," why, we ask, is this later variation produced? You see, there is no fixed wording to follow,
and there is no regular or prescribed usage of certain words. So the question has to be asked, should we baptize
in the name of Jesus Christ, or in Christ Jesus, or in the Lord, or in the Lord Jesus, or in the Lord Jesus Christ?
Which would be correct? Was Peter right? Or Philip? Or Paul?
Jesus Only exponents say they are sticklers (fanatics) for the exact words of Scripture, and that they use the
identical words of the apostles; yet their demands are not accompanied by quotations from God's Word of the
words themselves. Even in those passages where their purported words are found, their full formula is lacking.
One of their chief proponents some years ago stated that the following formula should be used: "I baptize you in
the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
When this particular brother was asked to cite chapter and verse for this formula, he was speechless. Apparently
it had not ever occurred to him that the formula he had conjured up had no scriptural connotation whatsoever.
So the question still must be asked. Which is the right way to baptize and what was the meaning of
Peter's or Paul's words in the book of Acts?
There is no way one can take the passages in the book of Acts to be intended as a baptismal formula. The words
should be regarded as a compendious description of the entire rite. In Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, and 19:15, the
details of the baptismal ceremony are not set forth. What is set forth is a condensed, brief, abridged reference to
the sacred experience. The words describe the sphere, the foundation or ground of baptism, rather than the
prescribed words of the formula.
Every Trinitarian using the Matthew 28:19 formula refers to water baptism as "Christian baptism" and this is as it
should be, for Christ is assuredly the central figure in water baptism. Jesus Christ is the One who died and rose
again; not the Father and not the Holy Ghost. It is into His death that we are symbolically buried, and in the
likeness of His resurrection we are raised to walk in newness of life; therefore, belief in, and confession of, the
Lord Jesus Christ, is a central part of our baptismal ceremony.

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detluvr
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What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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The problem is you trinitarians baptize in the words or titles in Mt.28:19 but the verse clearly says to baptize in the
NAME ; only ONE NAME NOT NAMES WORDS NOR TITLES!!!

8/16/2010 2:54:31 PM

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8/16/2010 3:17:03 PM

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8/16/2010 3:19:19 PM

detluvr

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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I give you trinitarians credit for this ;hood thy mother and.... Mommy taught you and let God be. a liar and mommy
be true! Keep following man and your reward is with your father... The father of all lies! He (Satan) started the
doctrine of 3gods !
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Why stop at 3 gods ; how bout these: God the fee spirit, god the spirit of might ,god the comforter, god the
morning star, god the messiah, then Father of lights, Heavenly Father, our Father, wow now there are 3 fathers!
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Son of David,son of God, son of the highest, son of man, son of righteousness , only begotten son .... Now6 sons

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detluvr
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8/16/2010 3:31:54 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Eternal spirit, free spirit, holy spirit, spirit of adoption, spirit of Christ spirit of counsel, spirit of glory, spirit of god,
spirit of grace, spirit of holiness, spirit of judgement,knowledge, life, spirit of lord god, of father, lord, son ,
There is at least a dozen spirits now so what do we do?
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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THIS IS THE REASON WE ACCEPT THE MATTHEW 28:19 BAPTISMAL FORMULA
A. Both the minister and the believer render obedience to the Master's own explicit command whenever the
words are used, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

slim_pickens_2u
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B. Matthew 28:19 fits the definition of a formula. It is an orderly statement of faith or doctrine. It is the prescribed
words of a ceremony or rite. The words of the Lord Himself are all contained in one concise declaration. It is not
necessary, as in the Jesus Only formula, to combine it with other Scriptures in order to get the complete name. It
is complete within itself.
C. Matthew 28:19 incorporates an orderly statement of faith. It summarizes the scattered and unsystemized
thought and language of the entire New Testament concerning the nature of the Godhead. He who spoke these
words desired their use as the formula, for they were purposely designed to set forth the doctrine of the Trinity in
this initiatory Christian rite. The Master's own baptism by John was a vivid precedent for associating the Trinity
with baptism. Jesus was there in person. God spoke from heaven and the Holy Spirit descended like a dove upon
Him.
D. Matthew 28:19 is the only command in the entire Bible given specifically to those performing the rite of
baptism. If you will examine all the passages in Acts dealing with baptism, you will discover that the commands
there are to the believers themselves and not to the baptizer, or the minister. Matthew 28:19 is a direct order to
those who administer the ordinance informing them to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of
the Holy Ghost."

E. It is unthinkable that the disciples disobeyed the express command of their Lord. The only logical and scriptural
conclusion is that the apostles and other leaders not only obeyed His command to baptize but also obeyed His
command to "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
F. The Matthew 28:19 baptismal formula is abundantly confirmed by the earliest Christian writings while the Jesus
Only formula has no historical support at all. Justin's first apology was written in A.D. 153 about ninety years after
the death of Peter and Paul. It was about sixty years after the death of John the apostle. Justin was a
contemporary of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John himself, and he stated that Matthew 28:19 was the correct
formula.
There is another book called The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles and it is the oldest book outside the New
Testament. It is also known as the Didache and is dated by most authorities between the years A.D. 70 and 100.
Although the author of the book is unknown, it is a compilation of the teachings of the apostles which he had
apparently learned either by personal instruction, oral tradition, or through their (the apostles') own writings or
other New Testament writings then in circulation. While it does not possess the inspiration of the Scriptures, the
Didache is an authentic record of primitive Christianity. It includes as instructions for baptizing that we ought to
baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and also that we ought to baptize in
running or living water. There again, the Matthew 28:19 formula is used. And, lest we forget, I would remind you
that there is not a single recorded incident in the Bible or any other genuine first-century book where any other
formula was ever used in the first one hundred years of the Christian era.
G. Matthew 28:19 can be used as the formula and the baptism still be in the name of Jesus Christ because the
Son is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the sphere, the foundation, and the ground for Trinitarian baptism. Belief in,
and confession of, Christ is the very heart of our baptism. Consequently, the words spoken by most ministers of
the Gospel, baptizing according th Matthew 28:19, follow this pattern: "On the confession of your faith in the Lord
Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."The Error of the
Jesus Only Doctrine" by Jimmy Swaggart
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Detluvr and others that this might hurt because you are following this false doctrine,, i am doing this out of
Christian love for you. I would that no one should perish. I am praying that you allow the Holy Spirit in to teach
you.
8/16/2010 4:05:39 PM

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8/16/2010 4:15:44 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Jesus does not say go therefore baptizing with these words. He does however say"go ye therefore baptizing them
in the NAME" says name not words or titles
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Every time they baptized in the book of acts church it was always in the name of the lord. I love that you quoted
swaggart .he is so arrogant that he wrote his own bible and put his words in red . great role model he is the same
as Joyce Meyers who says " we are all gods" doctrines of Satan is what they teach! Study the Word for yourself
and let the holy ghost give you revelation ! Don't be a sheople and follow every wind of doctrine!
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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8/16/2010 5:19:46 PM

Also I am not hurt. I stand on the Truth of Jesus and His Word!
I'm not even hurt that you follow satans wind of doctrines. I can only tell everyone Incan the Gospel as it is
written, I can't make anyone believe anything, that's not my job
God is the only one that can hurt me ,I fear not what man can say nor do!
Be lifted up in the Name of Jesus!
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Lets look at a scripture or two;
1Timothy 3:16 it says God was manifest in the flesh. It doesn't say God Split into a seperate God.god wasjustified
in the spirit not split into a separate spirit. God was seen of angels. God was believed on in the world. Now is that
some other god or
The same God!? God was received up into glory. Again Jesus is God
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Read 2Tim. 3: whole chapter pay attention to verses 1-7...(7)
The Bible also states we (Christians) will be hated for His Name! Trinitarians hate the name of Jesus so much
they come up with every way they can not to use it! There is. Power In The Name of Jesus .. Salvation on the
name of Jesus
Healing in the name of Jesus
The Bible says demons shall tremble at the Name of Jesus!! There is no other name given among men whereby
we MUST BE SAVED! notice it does NOT say titles or names plural. !!!
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Det. you are willfully ignorant. It is by your voluntary choice that you will not hear the Word of God. You make
statements to others about using verses when that is all you have to hang onto. Then you have to blindly ignore
the rest of the bible. The bible tells us that God will eventually let us become what wrong we have been following
,, if we continue to push the Holy Spirit away. We will not be able to hear the truth anymore. I am afraid that you
are very close to that point of never accepting the truth anymore.

slim_pickens_2u
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8/16/2010 7:44:32 PM

Jesus didn't make any decision or action without the leading of the Holy Spirit. Jesus prayed to the Father.

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things
that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in
their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1:19-22 (KJV)
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Disclaimer,, by using someone elses support on a thread,, doesn't mean that i agree with everything that
person or group says or believes,, just in what i post.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Holy Spirit is a Person
Scriptural Proof
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Article By Mike Ediger
Dove flying into waterAll cults and anti-trinitarians have one thing in common when it comes to the Holy Spirit.
They all deny the Spirit is a Person, thereby also denying that the Spirit is God. This is but one of the planks in
their doctrinal platform which denies the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity.
In this brief study, we will show—with little comment—that the Scriptures teach the Holy Spirit is indeed a Person,
and that He is God, thus strengthening the Biblical evidence supporting the doctrine of the Trinity.
The Bible Ascribes to the Holy Spirit Characteristics of a Person
Throughout the Bible, the Holy Spirit is described as having several personal characteristics. While it is true
Scripture sometimes personifies things (e.g., "Wisdom" in the Proverbs), this is not the case with the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit is not a thing—He is not a force or power like electricity, as some teach—neither is He merely the
power of God, or God's mind, as other anti-trinitarians assert. Rather, the Biblical record clearly shows the Holy
Spirit is a Person:
1. The Holy Spirit leads people:
Matt 4:1 (also Mark 1:12; Luke 4:11) - He led Jesus into the wilderness.
John 16:13 - He will guide us "into all the truth."
Acts 8:39 - He "caught Phillip away."
Rom 8:14 - He leads the children of God (cf. Gal 5:18).
2. The Holy Spirit speaks:
Mark 13:11 - "it is not you who speak, but the Holy spirit" (also Matt 10:19,20).
Acts 4:25 - He spoke "by the mouth of David."
Acts 8:29 - He speaks to Phillip.
Acts 11:12 - He told Peter to go with Cornelius' men.
1 John 4:2 - "Spirit of God" known by His confessing that "Christ has come in the flesh."
Rev 2:7,11,7,29; 3:6,13,22 - "... let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Rev 22:17 - "The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come!’"

See also: John 16:13-14; Acts 13:2; 1Tim 4:1; Heb 3:7; Rev 14:13; 22:17.
3. The Holy Spirit testifies/ bears witness:
John 15:26; Acts 20:23; Rom 8:16; 1John 5:7,8.
4. The Holy Spirit teaches:
Exod 31:2-4; Neh 9:20; Luke 12:12; John 14:26; 1Cor 2:13.
5. The Holy Spirit helps us in many ways:
John 14:16,17,26; 16:7 - He dwells with us, teaches us, and comes to us.
Rom 8:26 - He "helps in our weaknesses" and "makes intercession for us."
Titus 3:5 - He renews us.
6. The Holy Spirit sanctifies us:
Rom 15:16; 1Cor 6:11; 1Pet 1:2.
7. The Holy Spirit has a mind and can reason:
Acts 15:28 - "it seemed good to us and the Holy Spirit.…"
Rom 8:27 - He has a mind.
1Cor 2:11 - He knows God's thoughts.
8. The Holy Spirit reveals things to us:
Luke 2:26 - He revealed to Simeon he would see the Christ.
John 16:13 - He will disclose to the apostles "things to come."
1Cor 2:10 - God reveals things through the Holy Spirit "for the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of
God."
Eph 3:5 - He reveals the mystery of Christ.
1Pet 1:11 - "Spirit of Christ" in the prophets "testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that
would follow."
9. The Holy Spirit performs works:
John 16:8-11 - He convicts.
Acts 2:4 - He gave the Apostles "utterance."
Acts 13:4 - He "sent out" Barnabas and Saul (cf. v.2).

Acts 16:6,7 - He forbid Paul to go to Asia.
Acts 20:28 - The Holy Spirit "has made you overseers."
1Cor 12:8,9,11 - Gifts given through, by, and "as He wills."
1Cor 12:11 - "the same Spirit works all these things."
1Cor 12:13 - He baptizes us into Christ.
2Cor 3:6 - "the Spirit gives life."
2Cor 3:8 - Paul speaks of "the ministry of the Spirit."
Eph 3:16 - God strengthens us through His Spirit.
1Tim 3:16 - Christ "Justified in [by] the Spirit."
2Tim 1:14 - He helps us guard our faith.
1Pet 3:18 - He makes us alive.
2Pet 1:21 - He guided men to write Scripture/speak from God.
10. Other indications of the Spirit’s personhood:
Gen 1:2 - He "was hovering over the face of the waters" (compare Deut 32:11).
Gen 6:3 - He strives with sinners.
Ps 51:11; 139:7 - Indicate His personality (in their contexts).
Isa 48:13 - He can be informed, as by a counselor.
Matt 1:18, 28 - Jesus conceived by the Spirit (also Luke 1:35).
Matt 12:31-32 - He can be blasphemed (also Luke 12:18).
Luke 2:25-27 - Simeon "came by the Spirit into the temple."
John 3:5,6,8 - People are "born of the Spirit."
Acts 5:3,4 - He can be lied to.
Acts 7:51 - He can be resisted.
Acts 13:2 - He uses the first-Person pronouns "Me" and "I."
Acts 21:4 - Disciples speak to Paul "through the Spirit."

2Cor 13:14 - "communion (or fellowship) of the Holy Spirit" (also Phil 2:1).
Eph 4:39 - He can be grieved (also Isa 63:19).
Heb 9:8 - "the Holy Spirit is indicating this."
A key text in understanding that the Holy Spirit is a Person, is John 14:16, where Jesus promises to send
"another Helper (or Comforter)" to His disciples. These two words - "another" and "Helper" - clearly prove the
Spirit is indeed a Person.
The Greek word translated "another" (allos), means "another of the same kind."1 Thus, if we believe Jesus to be
a Person (and, for that matter, to be God), then we must believe the Spirit, too, is a Person, and that He is God.
To believe otherwise is to make Jesus Christ a mere "power" or "force"— which is obviously false.
As a side-note, Jesus' use of the adjective, "another" clearly demonstrates the Holy Spirit is distinct from the
Father and the Son, thus providing support for the doctrine of the Trinity.
Further, the word translated "Helper" (parakletos), includes the idea of "one called alongside to help."2 Surely this
indicates another Person called upon for aid, and not some thing!
The Bible Teaches the Holy Spirit is also God
DoveThat the Holy Spirit is also God, is revealed throughout the Scriptures. The several passages which speak of
the "Spirit of God" or the "Spirit of Christ" and other like terms, all indicate the Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit is
specifically called "God" in Acts 5:3,4 and "Lord" in 2Cor 3:17,18.
That the Holy Spirit is a distinct Person from the Father and the Son is seen in several key texts. These texts
clearly and unmistakably separate the three Persons of the Godhead.
Birth of Jesus announced - Luke 1:26-38.
Baptism of Jesus - Matt 3:16-17.
See also: Matt 28:19; Luke 11:13; John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7-15; 1Cor 12:3-6; 2Cor 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1 Pet 1:2.
If the Holy Spirit were merely God's personal power or force, as some maintain, then it would be redundant for
Jesus (Matt 28:19 and the texts from John's Gospel) and the Apostle Paul (especially 2Cor 13:14), to speak of
the three members of the Godhead as they do.
The only plausible explanation is that the three—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—are in fact three distinct
Persons, comprising the one and only God.
This is the plain teaching of the Bible.
8/17/2010 2:59:10 AM

detluvr
Roseville, MI
47, joined Jul. 2010

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
The Lord Our God is ONE !!!! the Truth is the TRUTH !!!!

8/17/2010 10:37:55 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
What is wrong is that they deny The Father and The Holy Spirit as being separate persons of the GodHead.
Jesus didn't make a move without The Father telling Him thru The Holy Spirit.
They deny that Jesus prayed to the Father.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
60, joined Jan. 2010

8/17/2010 10:55:10 PM

detluvr
Roseville, MI
47, joined Jul. 2010

8/17/2010 11:00:17 PM

They deny all three being at the same place at the same time in the bible.
Therefore they are spreading lies and another jesus.

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
Slim you know the truth but you have been hurt at a church so you are lashing out ! Ppl. Will let you down just
follow Gods Word ,vengeance is His! Don't be angry at the One true God and His name as you know.... JESUS
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
No,, you and your friend are going around totally ignoring the biblical truth being posted and making remarks that
some of us are saying that there is three gods. That is lying instead of posting bible for your support of which all
you have to hang onto is misinterpreting tow verses and ignoring the rest of the bible. Unless i missed it, there
isn't anyone here claiming three gods.

slim_pickens_2u

[Edited 8/17/2010 11:01:29 PM ]

Vina, AL
60, joined Jan. 2010

8/18/2010 3:56:40 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
There are three main baptisms for all people these days,, into water,, Christ,, and the Holy Spirit. Each of the
three baptisms have a different administrator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Holy Spirit is the administrator that baptizes the believer into Christ and into His Body(the
church)Into Christ at repentance and the new birth. Called "one baptism" (Ephes. 4:5), because it is the
only baptism that saves the soul and brings into the body of Christ.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
60, joined Jan. 2010

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or
free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)) (26 For ye are all the children
of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on
Christ. Galatians 3:26-27 (KJV)) (3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised
up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:3-4
(KJV))
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The minister is the administrator that baptizes the believer in water,, declaration that one is saved
burying the old man and raising in newness of life.

19 Go
ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the
end of the world. Amen. ( Matthew 28:18-20 (KJV) )
(18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Christ is the administrator who baptizes the believer in the Holy Ghost,, Spirit baptism,, the enduement of
power for service.
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly
Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? ( Luke 11:13 (KJV))
( 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and
forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath
given to them that obey him. (Acts 5:31-32 (KJV))
(37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto
me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet
given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:37-39 (KJV)
(12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater
works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for
ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth
him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:12-17 (KJV))

The above is the general order of the three baptisms, but sometimes the Spirit-baptism precedes water
baptism, as in the case of Paul and Cornelius and his house (Acts 9:17-18; 10:44-48). Otherwise, water
baptism comes BEFORE the Spirit-baptism (Acts 2:38-39; 19:1-7), but it is always AFTER the baptism into
Christ and into His body. This baptism into Christ is the "one baptism" of Eph. 4:5 that all men must have
in order to be saved and be in the one body of Christ, the church. This is the baptism that cleanses from
all sin, and makes one a new creature in Christ and a fit candidate for the baptism in water and in the
Holy Spirit (John 3:3-5; 2 Cor. 5:17; Rom.6:1-8; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:37; Col. 1:11-13). Water baptism is

merely an outward figure or symbol of the baptism into Christ, or the inward work that brings one into the
body of Christ and the family of God.
8/18/2010 5:05:40 PM

detluvr
Roseville, MI
47, joined Jul. 2010

8/21/2010 9:59:30 AM

detluvr
Roseville, MI
47, joined Jul. 2010

9/24/2010 5:11:55 AM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
I read nowhere in Gods Word that water baptism is just some public declaration. That is a baptist doctrine. That
also is for church. Membrship according to them. I have heard many say you have to be baptized but not for any
part of salvation. That does not make sense at all!
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
Well some even try to say baptism is
Just to show other humans you are saved. Where is that in the Bible?
What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
There are three main baptisms for all people these days,, into water,, Christ,, and the Holy Spirit. Each of the
three baptisms have a different administrator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Holy Spirit is the administrator that baptizes the believer into Christ and into His Body(the
church)Into Christ at repentance and the new birth. Called "one baptism" (Ephes. 4:5), because it is the
only baptism that saves the soul and brings into the body of Christ.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
60, joined Jan. 2010

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or
free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)) (26 For ye are all the children
of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on
Christ. Galatians 3:26-27 (KJV)) (3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised
up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:3-4
(KJV))
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The minister is the administrator that baptizes the believer in water,, declaration that one is saved
burying the old man and raising in newness of life.

19 Go
ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the
end of the world. Amen. ( Matthew 28:18-20 (KJV) )
(18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Christ is the administrator who baptizes the believer in the Holy Ghost,, Spirit baptism,, the enduement of

power for service.
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly
Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? ( Luke 11:13 (KJV))
( 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and
forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath
given to them that obey him. (Acts 5:31-32 (KJV))
(37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto
me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet
given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:37-39 (KJV)
(12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater
works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for
ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth
him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:12-17 (KJV))

The above is the general order of the three baptisms, but sometimes the Spirit-baptism precedes water
baptism, as in the case of Paul and Cornelius and his house (Acts 9:17-18; 10:44-48). Otherwise, water
baptism comes BEFORE the Spirit-baptism (Acts 2:38-39; 19:1-7), but it is always AFTER the baptism into
Christ and into His body. This baptism into Christ is the "one baptism" of Eph. 4:5 that all men must have
in order to be saved and be in the one body of Christ, the church. This is the baptism that cleanses from
all sin, and makes one a new creature in Christ and a fit candidate for the baptism in water and in the
Holy Spirit (John 3:3-5; 2 Cor. 5:17; Rom.6:1-8; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:37; Col. 1:11-13). Water baptism is
merely an outward figure or symbol of the baptism into Christ, or the inward work that brings one into the
body of Christ and the family of God.
11/3/2010 10:10:25 AM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
Quote from slim_pickens_2u:
According to the bible, God the Father sent His only begotten Son Jesus to die on the Cross to pay the required
price for the sins of mankind. Our salvation is based on us repenting of our sins and believing that Jesus the
Christ is our Lord and Savior. The bible teaches that this is the only way to salvation.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
60, joined Jan. 2010

The Oneness or Jesus-Only doctrine has changed the requirements for salvation. They say that to receive
salvation,,you must also be water baptized and baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking with
other tongues.While I agree that all Christians should be Water Baptised and Baptised with the Holy Spirit with
the evidence of speaking in tongues,, I disagree that it is required for salvation. They are providing another
Jesus,, one that seemeth right but leadeth to hell. I present this out of Christian love that no body should
lose their soul.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is
in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath
not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:13-18 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) .
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised
him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the
truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the
Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the
Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the
beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but
as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye
shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be
ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. 1 John 2:20-29
(KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of
the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5 (KJV)
With the help of others,, we will expose this evil doctrine using the Word of God,,,,
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here again we have a body of believers who are good, upstanding, well- motivated people. It might well
be asked, "If they are Christians and want to do what's right, how can they go so far wrong in their
doctrine?" The answer, of course, is that even the best motivated of hearts can stumble when the head
leads it down an errant path. I believe their motivation is right, while their performance is in error. Should
we chance divisiveness by discussing the doctrinal misconceptions they promote? While I shun
argument for the sake of argument, I feel in this case we should. This is not a simple matter of "to each
his own." The Word of God is given to us to be our staff against the world, our strength, and our guide to
proper doctrine. The Word tells us to rightly divide the Word (II Timothy 3:16).
God gave us His Word so we could, through study and application, develop sound doctrine. Admittedly, all fall
short of complete knowledge of God's intent for us in this day. I believe God deliberately left some fine points
obscured so we would\have\to study His Word as an ongoing and perpetual component of our Christian life. I do
feel, however, that there is a difference between freedom to search out God's meaning from His Word, and

license to promote doctrines which are barely suggested within the Word.
ORIGIN
The "New Issue" erupted within the Pentecostal movement about 1914. While it started as a friendly debate over
the question of the correct method for water baptism, it quickly developed into a fierce controversy over the
nature of the Godhead. The argument in those early days was basically over the effort to reconcile the words of
the Lord in Matthew 28:19 and Peter's words in Acts 2:38. Suddenly the thing exploded. Those who practiced
baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (Jesus Only) claimed a special revelation from the Lord which would result in
the correct manner of water baptism. And, you might ask, what was this tremendous, tradition-defying revelation?
In effect it was this: Peter introduced the new baptismal method at Pentecost because, supposedly, the
Holy Ghost had revealed unto him that the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is
Jesus Christ. In other words, their "revelation" was that there is only one person in the Godhead and that
is Jesus Christ. They also vehemently opposed the doctrine of the Trinity, claiming it was of human
origin.
The argument became more heated, the controversy more explosive, and the split grew wider.

11/3/2010 9:22:22 PM

grace_4one
Stuarts Draft, VA
63, joined Dec. 2009

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?
Quote from slim_pickens_2u:
There are three main baptisms for all people these days,, into water,, Christ,, and the Holy Spirit. Each of the
three baptisms have a different administrator.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Holy Spirit is the administrator that baptizes the believer into Christ and into His Body(the
church)Into Christ at repentance and the new birth. Called "one baptism" (Ephes. 4:5), because it is the
only baptism that saves the soul and brings into the body of Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or
free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)) (26 For ye are all the children
of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on
Christ. Galatians 3:26-27 (KJV)) (3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised
up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:3-4
(KJV))
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The minister is the administrator that baptizes the believer in water,, declaration that one is saved
burying the old man and raising in newness of life.

19 Go
ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
(18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the
end of the world. Amen. ( Matthew 28:18-20 (KJV) )
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Christ is the administrator who baptizes the believer in the Holy Ghost,, Spirit baptism,, the enduement of
power for service.
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly
Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? ( Luke 11:13 (KJV))
( 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and
forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath
given to them that obey him. (Acts 5:31-32 (KJV))
(37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto
me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet
given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:37-39 (KJV)
(12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater
works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for
ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth
him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:12-17 (KJV))

The above is the general order of the three baptisms, but sometimes the Spirit-baptism precedes water
baptism, as in the case of Paul and Cornelius and his house (Acts 9:17-18; 10:44-48). Otherwise, water
baptism comes BEFORE the Spirit-baptism (Acts 2:38-39; 19:1-7), but it is always AFTER the baptism into
Christ and into His body. This baptism into Christ is the "one baptism" of Eph. 4:5 that all men must have
in order to be saved and be in the one body of Christ, the church. This is the baptism that cleanses from
all sin, and makes one a new creature in Christ and a fit candidate for the baptism in water and in the
Holy Spirit (John 3:3-5; 2 Cor. 5:17; Rom.6:1-8; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:37; Col. 1:11-13). Water baptism is
merely an outward figure or symbol of the baptism into Christ, or the inward work that brings one into the
body of Christ and the family of God.

Praise His Holy Name........
11/13/2010 3:33:38 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
?

Quote from slim_pickens_2u:
1. THREE GODS OR ONE?

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
60, joined Jan. 2010

We teach there is one God manifest in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.
The Jesus Only people teach that Christ is the Father, He is the Son and He is the Holy Ghost. Hence the name,
Jesus Only. I believe we can provide proper evidence from the Word of God that this is not the case and that the
teaching advanced by these people is erroneous and does not accord proper due and honor to the Godhead.
The Scripture does state there is one God. But the word "one" relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7
clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct persons: the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Ghost. The three are spoken of as one in number and yet treated individually in Scripture.
There is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, and one Holy Ghost (I Corinthians 8:6; Ehpesians 4:3-6).
Thus there are three separate persons in divine individuality and divine plurality. The Father is called God (I
Corinthians 8:6), the Son is called God (Isaiah 9:6-7; Hebrews 1:8; John 1:1-2) and the Holy Spirit is called God
(Acts 5:3- 4). Individually, each is called God; collectively, they can be spoken of as one God because of their
perfect unity. The word "God" can be used either in the singular or in the plural, like sheep. Everything that could
pertain to God collectively could also apply equally to each member of the Godhead as individuals. However,
there are some particulars which relate to each individual person of the deity as to position, office, and work that
could not be attributed to either of the other members of the Godhead. For instance, the Father is the head of
Christ (I Corinthians 11:3). The Son is the only begotten of the Father (II John 1:3). The Holy Ghost proceeds
from both the Father and the Son (John 14:16; Acts 2:3-4).
ELOHIM
The names of God prove plurality of persons. The Hebrew word Elohim, translated "God" in Genesis 1:1 and also
in more than 2,700 other places in the Old Testament, is a uniplural noun which means "more than one." Had the
sacred writer been led to use the singular El, then there would have been no indication of a divine plurality. But in
this initial reference to God, he was led of the Holy Ghost to pen the Word Elohim (Genesis 1:1). Also when one
considers that the word Elohim is used about ten to one over the word El, we would have to conclude that this
preference for the plural over the singular indicates a definite sign of plurality in the Godhead.
PLURALITY IN SCRIPTURES
Genesis 3:22, where it says, "the man has become as one of us," proves plurality of persons by the use of the
pronoun "us." Two Lords are mentioned in Genesis 19:24--one on earth and one in heaven. Two Lords sit side by
side in Psalms 110:1-5, in Matthew 22:44, and in Acts 2:33-34, 36. Two and three Persons are mentioned in the
introductions to many New Testament books: Romans, James, I Corinthians, I Peter, to name a few.
JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER
Only one Scripture in the Word of God states that Jesus is the Father. This is found in Isaiah, chapter 9, and it is
a Hebrew idiom concerning the terminology of the Jews. And we know from the Word of God that while Jesus
was on earth the Father was in heaven (Matthew 5:16-48). We also know (from Scripture) that Christ now sits at
the right hand of the Father. Jesus said He would confess men before His Father which was in heaven, proving
He (Jesus) is not Himself the Father (Matthew 10:32; Revelation 3:5). Jesus always prayed to the Father as a
separate person (Matthew 11:25). Both Jesus and Satan refer to God apart from Jesus (Matthew 4:6-10). Jesus
was the only begotten Son of the Father. Hence, Jesus could not be the Father, nor could He beget Himself
(John 1:14). Over 80 times in the Word f God Jesus affirmed that He was not the Father, nor was He the only
person in the Godhead.
Admittedly, we do not understand everything about the Trinity. However, it does become somewhat less

confusing and mysterious if we don't try to force two or more separate Persons into becoming only one Person,
simply because we choose not to recognize that the true meaning of the word "one" actually refers to unity. So
what we have is, only one Scripture (easily explained) in the Old Testament stating that Jesus is the Father, and
so very, very many confirming that He is not the Father.
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT JESUS OR THE FATHER
The Holy Spirit is another and He is from both the Father and the Son (John 5:32). So that the Holy Spirit could
come, it was necessary that Jesus go away (John 16:5-15). Even then, though, He could not be sent from God
until Christ was glorified. But at that time He would be sent from both the Father and the Son (John 7:37-39). The
Holy Spirit was sent from the Father to endue Jesus with power. This clearly requires three persons--the One who
sent Him, and the One being sent, and the One who received Him!
A clear distinction is made between the Son who prays, the Father to whom He prays, and the Holy Spirit for
whom (which) He prays (John 14:16).
The descent of the Holy Spirit acknowledged the arrival of Jesus in heaven to sit at the right hand of God, thus
proving three separate and distinct persons (Acts 2:33-34; John 7:39).
So, what do we have? Jesus is God; the Holy Ghost is God; the Father is God. But Jesus is not the Holy Spirit;
Jesus is not the Father. And neither is the Father the Lord Jesus Christ; nor is the Father the Holy Spirit.
The scriptural passages which provide the basis for the Trinitarian doctrine cannot be reconciled to the Jesus
Only position without totally disregarding the meaning of language and without totally ignoring many contrary
Scriptures. On the other hand, the favorite Jesus Only passages can be reconciled without strain or contradiction
to the Trinitarian position.

Thank you In_Gods_Service for support God's truth.

11/13/2010 7:11:20 PM

sparklingbeam
Melbourne, FL
74, joined Jun. 2009

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We all need to come into the unity of the faith, in Love. Yes, we see this subjest more often these days. Eph. 4:13
must need be fulfilled.
{13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the
measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:}
Eph. 4:10-16
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the
measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by
the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according

to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in
love.
11/14/2010 7:14:52 AM

sparklingbeam

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crazzychick, thanks for sharing this with all of us. I want to copy and past and share with others.

Melbourne, FL
74, joined Jun. 2009

12/15/2010 1:05:00 AM

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Quote from slim_pickens_2u:
According to the bible, God the Father sent His only begotten Son Jesus to die on the Cross to pay the required
price for the sins of mankind. Our salvation is based on us repenting of our sins and believing that Jesus the
Christ is our Lord and Savior. The bible teaches that this is the only way to salvation.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
60, joined Jan. 2010

The Oneness or Jesus-Only doctrine has changed the requirements for salvation. They say that to receive
salvation,,you must also be water baptized and baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking with
other tongues.While I agree that all Christians should be Water Baptised and Baptised with the Holy Spirit with
the evidence of speaking in tongues,, I disagree that it is required for salvation. They are providing another
Jesus,, one that seemeth right but leadeth to hell. I present this out of Christian love that no body should
lose their soul.
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is
in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath
not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:13-18 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) .
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised
him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the
truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the
Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the
Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the
beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but
as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye
shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be
ashamed before him at his coming.
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. 1 John 2:20-29
(KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of
the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5 (KJV)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here again we have a body of believers who are good, upstanding, well- motivated people. It might well
be asked, "If they are Christians and want to do what's right, how can they go so far wrong in their
doctrine?" The answer, of course, is that even the best motivated of hearts can stumble when the head
leads it down an errant path. I believe their motivation is right, while their performance is in error. Should
we chance divisiveness by discussing the doctrinal misconceptions they promote? While I shun
argument for the sake of argument, I feel in this case we should. This is not a simple matter of "to each
his own." The Word of God is given to us to be our staff against the world, our strength, and our guide to
proper doctrine. The Word tells us to rightly divide the Word (II Timothy 3:16).
God gave us His Word so we could, through study and application, develop sound doctrine. Admittedly, all fall
short of complete knowledge of God's intent for us in this day. I believe God deliberately left some fine points
obscured so we would\have\to study His Word as an ongoing and perpetual component of our Christian life. I do
feel, however, that there is a difference between freedom to search out God's meaning from His Word, and
license to promote doctrines which are barely suggested within the Word.
ORIGIN
The "New Issue" erupted within the Pentecostal movement about 1914. While it started as a friendly debate over
the question of the correct method for water baptism, it quickly developed into a fierce controversy over the
nature of the Godhead. The argument in those early days was basically over the effort to reconcile the words of
the Lord in Matthew 28:19 and Peter's words in Acts 2:38. Suddenly the thing exploded. Those who practiced
baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (Jesus Only) claimed a special revelation from the Lord which would result in
the correct manner of water baptism. And, you might ask, what was this tremendous, tradition-defying revelation?
In effect it was this: Peter introduced the new baptismal method at Pentecost because, supposedly, the
Holy Ghost had revealed unto him that the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is
Jesus Christ. In other words, their "revelation" was that there is only one person in the Godhead and that
is Jesus Christ. They also vehemently opposed the doctrine of the Trinity, claiming it was of human
origin.
The argument became more heated, the controversy more explosive, and the split grew wider.

12/15/2010 11:28:34 PM

rlm68

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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I am ONENESS and preach ONENESS and I believe in death bed salvations such as the thief on the CROSS.
Jesus did not take him down, dunk him, fill him with the HOLY GHOST, put him back on his own cross then say
TODAY YOU SHALL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.

Aurora, CO
47, joined Apr. 2010

You CANNOT assume that all ONENESS teachings and preachings are the same.
I do believe however if you know to do certain things and feel the tug to do it that if you do not you are not
hearkening to GOD. And this is a direct dis-obedience towards GOD..

12/16/2010 8:49:44 PM

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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I sincerely apologize for hurting anyones feelings. I would never intentionally try to hurt anyone. A lot of times
though,, people are hurt just from hearing God's Truth,, of which they have been deceived into not believing
because of false doctrines and religions that they are into.

slim_pickens_2u
Vina, AL
60, joined Jan. 2010

I do agree that we are to seek water baptism and baptism with the Holy Spirit after we have received our
Salvation as commanded by Jesus.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem,
but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence
I disagree with the doctrine that teaches that we aren't saved when we truely repent and accept Jesus and His
Shed Blood Sacrifice as our Lord and Saviour while not having them baptisms.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) .
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised
him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
-------------------Now i would have said that apology to you rlm and commended you for denying and changing from following the
falseness that you were raised in. But i can't because of that lie in your last sentence.
Then you have the wishy-washyness of your catho. thread where you deny your intentions.

I am praying for you rlm.
Love In Jesus
12/16/2010 11:50:05 PM

rlm68

What is wrong with the Oneness,, Jesus Only doctrine
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Quote from slim_pickens_2u:
I sincerely apologize for hurting anyones feelings. I would never intentionally try to hurt anyone. A lot of times
though,, people are hurt just from hearing God's Truth,, of which they have been deceived into not believing
because of false doctrines and religions that they are into.

Aurora, CO
47, joined Apr. 2010

I do agree that we are to seek water baptism and baptism with the Holy Spirit after we have received our
Salvation as commanded by Jesus.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem,
but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence
I disagree with the doctrine that teaches that we aren't saved when we truely repent and accept Jesus and His
Shed Blood Sacrifice as our Lord and Saviour while not having them baptisms.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) .
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised
him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
-------------------Now i would have said that apology to you rlm and commended you for denying and changing from following the
falseness that you were raised in. But i can't because of that lie in your last sentence.
Then you have the wishy-washyness of your catho. thread where you deny your intentions.

I am praying for you rlm.
Love In Jesus

My Catholic thread is about perception and finding TRUTH.
Its not about this way is right or that way is wrong.
Just because I dont see the rhetoric practices of the Catholic view to be essential in my walk in God does not
mean I do not view them as my brothers and sisters in Christ.
My thread is about all giving their views.
When a Catholic believer gives his view or JW, Muslim, Mormon, Jew then I give a view of what is out there
opposing them.
To me the Bible is fact and bottom line.
Anyone that opposes it due to their beliefs I believe is scripturally wrong.

EXAMPLE :
JESUS told us to baptize in name of FATHER-SON-HOLY GHOST(who is the NAME of the FATHER-WORDHOLY GHOST....JESUS is that NAME)
BUT
After recieving the Holy Ghost both Peter and Paul baptized in water in the name of the LORD which is JESUS.

EXAMPLE :
JESUS came specificly to deal and convert the Jews(at the time HE was here)(YES HE wanted to convert
Gentiles but it was not yet time)
BUT
After recieving the Holy Ghost both Peter and Paul converted Gentiles.
JESUS was our visible example to begin this new Gospel but the HOLY GHOST perfected us in how we are to go
about and practice/teach/convert the lost to GOD.

MY thread with the Catholics is about information and once again you have not read but picked and selected then
ASSUMED..

[Edited 12/16/2010 11:55:07 PM ]

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